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Will media make Altee , VA girls softball team martyrs as they did Chicago LL team
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:32 pm
The Altee, VA 11-12 year old girls softball team was disqualified from the national championship game for posting a photo on social media with half the team flipping off their host / opponent apparently for the way they were treated in the previous game. I personally believe this is one more example of political correctness over reach even if the girls showed poor taste. Others have a different view and I respect those sentiments. The problem is disqualifications for off the field events are handled unevenly and the media takes sides for reason that often have no bearing on the situation.
The softball organization relied on a subjective rule to disqualify the team despite their win on the field. Yet their actions in no gave them a competitive advantage on the field. Contrast that to the Chicago Jackie Robinson Little League team a few years ago which had its title revoked when it was discovered they had players residing outside of their assigned pool area. This was a failure on the part of adult coaches to follow the rules, whether intentional or not. They had an obligation to confirm eligibility of their players. This may have very well given them a competitive advantage. Many in the media made the team martyrs for this, with social justice overtones permeating much of their arguments. Will the media treat this softball team the same way?
Some will argue the photo was classless and therefore the team should be punished. But, remember half the team was not involved. Should they be penalized? What about free speech rights?
Yes, the organization can subjectively apply its rule to justify its actions. , but where is the line drawn? If a player does a throat slash after a big play should the game be immediately forfeited? What if they are playing an Oriental team and make an exaggerated mocking eye display? Is the game over ?
Was this rule readily known by the coaches? Having coached many youth sports teams I can tell you the last thing I would be concerned with is telling my team not to make questionable posts on social media.
Outside of rules violations which potentially impact the game's outcome off the field events should not alter the results on the field.
How will the media treat this decision? Stay tuned.
The softball organization relied on a subjective rule to disqualify the team despite their win on the field. Yet their actions in no gave them a competitive advantage on the field. Contrast that to the Chicago Jackie Robinson Little League team a few years ago which had its title revoked when it was discovered they had players residing outside of their assigned pool area. This was a failure on the part of adult coaches to follow the rules, whether intentional or not. They had an obligation to confirm eligibility of their players. This may have very well given them a competitive advantage. Many in the media made the team martyrs for this, with social justice overtones permeating much of their arguments. Will the media treat this softball team the same way?
Some will argue the photo was classless and therefore the team should be punished. But, remember half the team was not involved. Should they be penalized? What about free speech rights?
Yes, the organization can subjectively apply its rule to justify its actions. , but where is the line drawn? If a player does a throat slash after a big play should the game be immediately forfeited? What if they are playing an Oriental team and make an exaggerated mocking eye display? Is the game over ?
Was this rule readily known by the coaches? Having coached many youth sports teams I can tell you the last thing I would be concerned with is telling my team not to make questionable posts on social media.
Outside of rules violations which potentially impact the game's outcome off the field events should not alter the results on the field.
How will the media treat this decision? Stay tuned.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:34 pm to tigersbb
breh:
1. I am not reading all of that...
2. there is already a thread going on with some pretty good discussion.
1. I am not reading all of that...
2. there is already a thread going on with some pretty good discussion.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:34 pm to tigersbb
I had forgotten about that Chicago team. Weren't they playing 16 year olds or something?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:36 pm to tigersbb
Hopefully they see this as a wake up call
Time to quit softball before the lesbian gets them
Time to quit softball before the lesbian gets them
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:36 pm to tigersbb
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I personally believe this is one more example of political correctness over reach even if the girls showed poor taste.
This would have been even less acceptable 50 years ago. People are so obsessed with arguing against political correctness that they have forgotten what conservative values actually are.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:38 pm to tigersbb
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What about free speech rights?
Did someone from the government round them up to go to prison?
All your other points are pretty good and I agree with you, however the girls' free speech rights were not infringed.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:38 pm to Spankum
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there is already a thread going on with some pretty good discussion.
I know, with 8 pages. this is a totally different perspective.
Don't comment if you you don't read it.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:41 pm to tigersbb
If you dressed in your company uniform or logo and flipped off competition, would your employer reprimand you. 95% of companies would. They are in little league gear and representing them. They can punish how they see fit and it's no fee speech issue. Girls should know not to post stupid stuff.
I say suspend the offending girls and they forfeit the championship game since they will be short of players. But since ESPN wants their programming, they need a game so they sent the losing team. I don't agree with that part of the punishment.
I say suspend the offending girls and they forfeit the championship game since they will be short of players. But since ESPN wants their programming, they need a game so they sent the losing team. I don't agree with that part of the punishment.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:42 pm to tigersbb
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:44 pm to bamafan1001
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Did someone from the government round them up to go to prison?
All your other points are pretty good and I agree with you, however the girls' free speech rights were not infringed.
Thanks. Maybe free speech rights was a stretch but it just seems like something placed in a social media context should not result in such harsh consequences. Its an opinion which one can agree or disagree. I don't agree with social media posting affecting employment either but that is for another day.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:50 pm to CyrustheVirus
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They are in little league gear and representing them. They can punish how they see fit and it's no fee speech issue. Girls should know not to post stupid stuff.
I doubt most 11 and 12 year old girls ever think like this. This is part of our culture today, it is promoted in one sense or another by the media, the Hollywood glitteratti, the musical scene and society in general. People walk around with profane words on their shirts.
I am not condoning what these girls did, but just putting it into perspective with society today.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:51 pm to tigersbb
I'm with you brother. I knew the point you were making and I agree.
The parents should have handled the punishment. If I were the league, I might have issued a public statement that the behavior doesn't reflect the ideals of the league...maybe sanction that particular team for the following season(they cant be a host for any regional tournaments for the following season, etc)
The parents should have handled the punishment. If I were the league, I might have issued a public statement that the behavior doesn't reflect the ideals of the league...maybe sanction that particular team for the following season(they cant be a host for any regional tournaments for the following season, etc)
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:51 pm to tigersbb
All of this crap involving losing your job, getting suspended from school, or getting penalized in a youth league because you posted something on your Instagram that people don't like needs to stop.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:56 pm to tigersbb
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I doubt most 11 and 12 year old girls ever think like this. This is part of our culture today, it is promoted in one sense or another by the media, the Hollywood glitteratti, the musical scene and society in general. People walk around with profane words on their shirts. I am not condoning what these girls did, but just putting it into perspective with society today.
Seems like it's a good time for these girls to learn a lesson that what you do or wear can have consequences. Am I getting a job if i show up to a job interview at google with a MAGA shirt on? Probably not.
Just because most of society does stupid stiff on social media doesn't mean everyone has to allow it to happen.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:01 pm to tigersbb
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Will the media treat this softball team the same way?
Doubt it. No one would know about this story if the team wasn't disqualified. And the 6 or 7 Atlee girls brought this on themselves with the photo.
The Jackie Robinson West team was a cool story that gained national attention before any reports of cheating came to light. The adults failed those kids in that situation.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:11 pm to CyrustheVirus
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Seems like it's a good time for these girls to learn a lesson that what you do or wear can have consequences.
True, but the Kirkland team they beat were reportedly "less than hospitable" and had a player and coach ejected for stealing signs during the game.
If breaking codes of sportsmanship got Atlee sent home, why should Kirkland be allowed to keep playing? The inconsistency with the punishment is the more bothersome thing to me.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:11 pm to Volvagia
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All of this crap involving losing your job, getting suspended from school, or getting penalized in a youth league because you posted something on your Instagram that people don't like needs to stop.
You nailed it. Unless your actions specifically and directly harm your employer or league in a quantifiable way your personal life should be just that. Your personal life. Games should be decided inside the lines.
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