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Why wasn't the New Orleans insurrection strong in 1862?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 9:55 pm
I have always wondered this. Everywhere with any resistance was put to fire but New Orleans seemed to avoid this, despite being occupied from the beginning of the war.
Did the Union try something different or did New Orleans just bend over?
Did the Union try something different or did New Orleans just bend over?
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Posted on 5/26/17 at 9:57 pm to Dire Wolf
Yellow Fever Epidemic
Posted on 5/26/17 at 9:57 pm to Dire Wolf
Colonel Montrose de Landrieu was in charge.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 9:57 pm to Dire Wolf
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Did New Orleans just bend over
Yeah. Same way they did with Mitch taking down their statues
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:05 pm to Dire Wolf
Butler stole all the silver spoons since there were no Confederate monuments.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:15 pm to Dire Wolf
Nola whities have always been wishy-washy.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:16 pm to Dire Wolf
All the local fighting men were in armies in other states.
A chain across the Mississippi protected by forts on the lower river were judged sufficient for protection.
Flotsam in the high water destroyed the chain, and Farragut was able to steam his iron clads pass to New Orleans. With the river high up the levies, the naval cannons could hit all parts of the defenseless city. Farragut ordered its immediate surrender or offered its complete destruction!
So the perfect storm! Local soldiers ordered to "active" fronts by the Confederate War department. No blocking chain to hold ships under the forts cannons. Steam power to allow "running" the river. And iron cladding to shrug off any shots that managed to hit. Plus a commander willing and able to rain total destruction upon defenseless civilians, police, and slaves.
A chain across the Mississippi protected by forts on the lower river were judged sufficient for protection.
Flotsam in the high water destroyed the chain, and Farragut was able to steam his iron clads pass to New Orleans. With the river high up the levies, the naval cannons could hit all parts of the defenseless city. Farragut ordered its immediate surrender or offered its complete destruction!
So the perfect storm! Local soldiers ordered to "active" fronts by the Confederate War department. No blocking chain to hold ships under the forts cannons. Steam power to allow "running" the river. And iron cladding to shrug off any shots that managed to hit. Plus a commander willing and able to rain total destruction upon defenseless civilians, police, and slaves.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:23 pm to Dire Wolf
Why would they , New Orleans got a good deal, they were exempt from the Emancipation Proclamation. They got to keep their slaves and the port of New Orleans was reopened with fear of a blockade.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:41 pm to Dire Wolf
Good Question.
I've got a pic somewhere of a relative in the Washington Artillery (sp) will have to check on the background story
I've got a pic somewhere of a relative in the Washington Artillery (sp) will have to check on the background story
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:45 pm to Dire Wolf
I'm not saying this is the main reason, but part of the reason.
New Orleans was chock full of European immigrants, many of whom came over here to escape the wars in Europe. They had enough of war and didn't give a flip about either the Confederacy or the Union. They just wanted to live and let live.
Many of the European men in New Orleans formed "European Brigades" for the Confederate Army in New Orleans, only to let the Union in with little resistance. The Union let the units stay intact for awhile to help keep order in the city. Once they were no longer needed, they were allowed to go home and did not wind up as prisoners of war.
New Orleans was chock full of European immigrants, many of whom came over here to escape the wars in Europe. They had enough of war and didn't give a flip about either the Confederacy or the Union. They just wanted to live and let live.
Many of the European men in New Orleans formed "European Brigades" for the Confederate Army in New Orleans, only to let the Union in with little resistance. The Union let the units stay intact for awhile to help keep order in the city. Once they were no longer needed, they were allowed to go home and did not wind up as prisoners of war.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:54 pm to Dire Wolf
I've often thought the big prominent Lee statue possibly had something to do with the city's guilt for giving in so easily and quickly. It was always sort of incongruous in a city that really played little actual part in the war. Part of what made it a rather interesting relic and why it was so stupid to face what happened last week after 130 years of standing its big out of place setting. And oddly it was the incongruity that was used as justification for its removal.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:06 pm to Dire Wolf
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I have always wondered this. Everywhere with any resistance was put to fire but New Orleans seemed to avoid this, despite being occupied from the beginning of the war.
Did the Union try something different or did New Orleans just bend over?
After the Confederates turned back the Union invasion attempt in 1861, Jefferson Davis thought the Union would try to come down the Mississippi River. So he ignored all the warnings about the union fleet massing in the Gulf and allowed the majority of the cannons and other defensive weapons to be moved to elsewhere. When the invasion came the only thing the Confederated had to defend NOLA with were two fort, two half-finished gunboats, and a makeshift chain. After NOLA fell, the Confederates sent all of their reinforcements to Vicksburg.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:26 pm to TigerintheNO
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Why would they , New Orleans got a good deal,
Not exactly. Farragut turned over control of the city to Benjamin Franklin Butler who soon earned the name "Beast" Butler after hanging a 47 year old New Orleans man that took down a flag raised by Farragut's marines, and for issuing orders that New Orleans women could be physically or verbally mishandled by Union forces if they showed contempt for their Yankee conquerors. He was also known for his plundering of the local population; when he confiscated silver spoons from a New Orleans woman he earned the nickname "Spoons" Butler. He confiscated cotton and sold it "at auction" where his brother could buy it at ridiculous amounts as the sole bidder. When local property was exhausted he sent "military expeditions" into the defenseless county side to get more. When the owner of a local paper published an obituary honoring his father who was killed defending Virginia from the Yankees, Butler put him in prison for several month and surprise, he confiscated the paper!
Yeah things were just peachy for New Orleans citizens!
When he seized sugar owned by Europeans and took $800,000 from the Dutch councils office, Lincoln was finally forced to remove him!
Fortunately for the South his ruthlessness and dishonesty were only surpassed by his military incompetence!
Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:30 pm to BRgetthenet
French influence...
Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:55 pm to Dire Wolf
Can't say for New Orleans but Savannah rolled over like a baby back bitch. Guess these port cities are sissies.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 12:29 pm to Gaspergou202
Farragut was a ruthless bastard. Locals in Donaldsonville took shots at his ironclads from the trees on the banks with small arms and he shelled the town and sent soldiers in to finish the job.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 1:28 pm to Dire Wolf
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I have always wondered this
So you come to the OT? Read a book if it's that interesting to you
Posted on 5/27/17 at 1:31 pm to Swoopin
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Can't say for New Orleans but Savannah rolled over like a baby back bitch. Guess these port cities are sissies.
The locals welcomed Sherman and his army and threw elaborate balls for them, fed them, cared for their wounded. So Sherman spared Savannah. Charleston was going to be burned down, but the locals moved their wounded into local buildings and dressed as field doctors and nurses and met his army outside Charleston and told him malaria and other diseases were rampant so Sherman marched around Charleston saving it from destruction. Glad these 3 cities, NOLA Savannah & Charleston remained standing. ATL was burned to the ground.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 1:45 pm to SamuelClemens
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ATL was burned to the ground.
As was Columbia.
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