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re: Who's on cholesterol meds? Which one? How long? What was your level b4 & after?
Posted on 10/7/15 at 8:08 am to cas4t
Posted on 10/7/15 at 8:08 am to cas4t
Hey Cas4t, did you start doing those stretches in that article "undo the damage of sitting"
They have helped me more than I can express. Quality of life is way up since I can sleep through the night now without waking up to back pain.
They have helped me more than I can express. Quality of life is way up since I can sleep through the night now without waking up to back pain.
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 8:31 am to Old Sarge
i had posted that article, what stretches are you doing? all of them?
Posted on 10/7/15 at 9:15 am to Lester Earl
Thank you 
The pigeon pose and the couch have been the most effective
The pigeon pose and the couch have been the most effective
Posted on 10/7/15 at 9:57 am to Yammie250F
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DAMN! I remember my total being 250 and the "bad" cholesterol 147 and my doctor seemed pretty worried. Wrote the scipt. and said start taking them tonight.
yeah dude, first time i went in my LDL (bad) was at 280. i eat vegetarian 90% of the time, and when i eat meat, it's chicken or turkey, hardly ever touch red meat. at the time i was running maybe twice a week.
upped that to 6 times a week, cut all dairy and fried foods, and 6 weeks later i was at 259 total, LDL around 190.
another two months go by, i slack a little, and boom, back at 340. i'm not sure if the lifestyle i have to maintain to keep off the drugs is sustainable.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:11 am to StreamsOfWhiskey
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high fat/high protein diet
My only concern here. Ketogenic is not high fat and high protein. It is high fat and moderate protein.
I can link studies that link statins to having no added benefit to longevity. The real question...is no benefit because of the patient's crappy lifestyle and the statin is not enough?
I'd rather not have to take a drug to "fix" my body when my body was designed and born to run properly if I feed it the correct fuel.
***Correction from earlier post***
LDL-P are the fire trucks, cholesterol would be the firemen on the truck, and the bloodstream is a city. LDLs can crash and burn and cause damage, but the number of firemen has no bearing on this.
I really need to find the time to read this book
Article about said book you should read
I have a hard time believing in a pill that was once only given to those with crazy levels, then moved down to TC of 250, then 220, now it’s generally recommended to Rx statins with levels above 200. I got into an argument with a med school student over this at a bar one time. They had no answers on why. Why has it changed?
Lower TC isn't the problem:
Some people get to a point in their life and wonder why they feel like crap ALL THE TIME. I had that a while back. I realized all of the junk food I was eating and cleaned my diet up. I found keto to be a very calming and relaxed way of eating. It destroyed any depression I had. I lost 20 lbs without trying. I have no brain fog and no need to take an afternoon nap. Once stumbling onto this I took a deep dive into current studies on diet and health, which lead me to cholesterol studies.
That being said, sugar is pure evil. I don't care what diet you chose, but remove sugar and processed carb crap from your diet. Sugar is in everything these days. Doesn't matter what 'ose it is, I stay away from it.
I hope you are able to make the life changes to live a healthier, longer life.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:27 am to Old Sarge
I take atorvastatin. I'm 32 and in decent shape, but it's mostly about genetics. My total was around 200 and dropped around 50 points in three months. My blood pressure has been WAY better, too.
It's rare to have a total of 200. My mom's was around 450. Unheard of for a man, much less a woman. You gotta just take it. It's pretty much harmless and does a world of good for your cardiovascular system.
It's rare to have a total of 200. My mom's was around 450. Unheard of for a man, much less a woman. You gotta just take it. It's pretty much harmless and does a world of good for your cardiovascular system.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:34 am to Junky
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I have a hard time believing in a pill that was once only given to those with crazy levels, then moved down to TC of 250, then 220, now it’s generally recommended to Rx statins with levels above 200.
1% or less of the population have a level of 190 or higher. And the ratio of cholesterol in your blood is absolutely linked to heart disease. All the running and healthy eating can't save you if you are genetically high in 'bad' cholesterol.
And don't demonize pills like they're all the same. That's like when people demonize chemicals. Everything is a chemical, and pills are not created equal.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:50 pm to panterica
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1% or less of the population have a level of 190 or higher
A link, please, good sir. I mentioned my numbers of 250, 220, and 200 that are the values of Total Cholesterol, not HDL or LDL. High TC may be a marker of coronary heart disease, but there is doubt now that it is a cause. This doc has my ear.
If lower cholesterol meant better health, why is our population doing the opposite? Lower TC has equated to higher obesity I found this 2012 story looking for a study on you 1% comment.
If you misunderstood me, I made no mention of ratios of cholesterol. Probably the most import of which would be your Trig/HDL ratio. This article is new standard opinion of doctors, which I believe you and I both agree on. The studies mentioned are here, here, and here.
There are differing opinions on Trig/HDL ratios on the standard lipid panel and when the associated risks of heart problems come into play. Some say 2.75, some say as high as 4. I want to dig further on it.
Also, your LDL number is a calculated number on a standard lipid panel based off of your TC, HDL, and Trig numbers and does not differentiate between "LDL pattern a" and LDL "pattern b". If you trigs are lower, your LDL pattern size is different. The standard lipid panel can misrepresent how much and what type of LDL is there. An example of Friedewald and Iranian equations. Another cool study
Blog describing statins and an increased risk of cardiovascular events. The related study.
Low total cholesterol is associated with high total mortality in patients
Lack of association between cholesterol and coronary heart disease mortality in older people
Sounds like a fun nation to live in "included homicidal impulses"
Read the studies attached to this article.
I understand the importance for medicine on outrageous and out of the box values for unique individuals. I do not like the "take a pill for it" mentality our healthcare industry has become. It does nothing to solve the root of the patient's problems. Shoveling out pills for a random marker is nuts. But, as Americans, we have a right to fat and lazy about our health.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:06 pm to Old Sarge
Crestor 200 down to 144
Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:11 pm to Junky
Glad to see a few posts on here alluding to newer science.
Additionally, we now know that total cholesterol is really a vague measure and that your LDL-P test is much more accurate.
This test looks at particle count and size. Newer data suggest that you can have a good traditional test but actually be at risk due to LDLP, and vice versa.
Additionally, we now know that total cholesterol is really a vague measure and that your LDL-P test is much more accurate.
This test looks at particle count and size. Newer data suggest that you can have a good traditional test but actually be at risk due to LDLP, and vice versa.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:24 pm to LSUfan20005
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LDL-P
Awesome you mention this, I didn't want to go into that much detail.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 3:29 pm to Junky
Statin use and bone fractures. Along with osteoporosis.
LDL cholesterol production is shut down while using statins. Not surprisingly, a link was conjured up between osteoporosis and statins. This study was done to dispel it, oh well.
Hint: The fats required to make the hormones that protect bones...and sex steroid hormones...and vitamin D, all come from LDL.
LDL cholesterol production is shut down while using statins. Not surprisingly, a link was conjured up between osteoporosis and statins. This study was done to dispel it, oh well.
Hint: The fats required to make the hormones that protect bones...and sex steroid hormones...and vitamin D, all come from LDL.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:30 pm to Junky
Cholesterol is vital to our existence, it helps us see (this is why people on meds for a long time lose their vision), it helps our joints and helps our brains. It's so important to us, that our body actually makes it.
Total cholesterol should never even be considered as a factor. A high HDL will make your total look high as well.
Blaming heart disease on cholesterol is like finding the police at a crime scene and blaming them for the crime. Just because cholesterol is in atherosclerosis, it doesn't mean that it caused it.
We know that diabetes is an imbalance of glucose and insulin, and that it causes atherosclerosis. It seems apparent to me that this is what also causes heart disease. Too much glucose or too much insulin causing inflammation on the lumen of the arterial wall. Then cholesterol come soon to save the day and repair the wall.
Total cholesterol should never even be considered as a factor. A high HDL will make your total look high as well.
Blaming heart disease on cholesterol is like finding the police at a crime scene and blaming them for the crime. Just because cholesterol is in atherosclerosis, it doesn't mean that it caused it.
We know that diabetes is an imbalance of glucose and insulin, and that it causes atherosclerosis. It seems apparent to me that this is what also causes heart disease. Too much glucose or too much insulin causing inflammation on the lumen of the arterial wall. Then cholesterol come soon to save the day and repair the wall.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 7:49 am to Rust Cohle
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We know that diabetes is an imbalance of glucose and insulin, and that it causes atherosclerosis. It seems apparent to me that this is what also causes heart disease.
so what's your training that leads you to say it is apparent?
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Too much glucose or too much insulin causing inflammation on the lumen of the arterial wall. Then cholesterol come soon to save the day and repair the wall.
do you have any studies or support for this?
Posted on 10/8/15 at 8:09 am to Junky
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Not surprisingly, a link was conjured up between osteoporosis and statins
uhhh.. the study was to prove statins could help prevent osteoporosis and broken bones because earlier studies suggested it could. what the study showed instead is that while statins don't prevent bone fractures, it also doesn't make them more likely. there has never been a link between statins increasing bone fragility or osteoporosis.
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