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Thoughts on LEO in BR being criticized for deploying "military-style" gear?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:50 pm
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But officers on Sunday streamed onto a skinny residential street in Beauregard Town, some with their hands near the triggers of military-style rifles, others manning armored vehicles, one of which was seen driving slowly into protesters’ bodies. That kind of military-style equipment was the subject of much criticism after Ferguson, with the contention the display of force built up hostility between local communities and the police.
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The sight of masked officers confronting hundreds of demonstrators was set against charming Southern homes and blooming crape myrtles on a quiet street — not the bustling highways officials earlier said they were trying to keep open. Protesters had moved onto the residential France Street after being nudged away from Government Street.
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Displays of military-style equipment like armored cars, assault-style weapons, gas masks, riot shields, and ear-splitting sirens called LRADs — all of which have been deployed in the past few days during protests about Sterling’s killing in Baton Rouge — are some of the very practices the Justice Department’s Office of Community Oriented Policing Services criticized in its definitive report analyzing what went wrong in Ferguson.
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“You would think Baton Rouge would watch Ferguson and learn a lesson. Apparently they didn’t,” said Peter B. Kraska, a professor at Eastern Kentucky University who’s studied police militarization for the past 25 years. A former probation officer, Kraska has worked with over 70 police departments on training and reforms.
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The mere appearance of military-style machinery in Ferguson served to escalate, rather than calm, clashes in that community, the Justice Department report found. “Collectively, the use of fully outfitted tactical officers, some of whom were deployed with rifles and PepperBall launchers, contributed to the public (and media) perception that the police were a militarized force ‘invading’ their neighborhood,” the Ferguson report concluded. And in an example that calls to mind the exact situation in Baton Rouge on Sunday, the report found: “While the LRAD (high-pitched alarm) may be appropriate to disperse crowds, using it in conjunction with an armored vehicle escalates the hostility of the crowd and creates a negative public image.”
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“The gas masks themselves were pretty intimidating,” said Lt. General Russel L. Honore, the retired U.S. Army leader who coordinated military response efforts after Hurricane Katrina. “My concern is, with those homes there and all the people in the houses, that would not have been a good place to do (show that weaponry), particularly when the protesters weren’t being violent,” he said after viewing hours of videos, imagery and other coverage of protests in Baton Rouge on Sunday.
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“Something is not right in that department in terms of amount of equipment and amount of training,” Honore said of the Baton Rouge police. Two officers from the agency were also captured on video during the protests pointing weapons at peoples faces in an effort to scatter the crowd, which BRPD officials have said they are reviewing.
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But experts like Kraska said that tough-on-crime approach is missing the point. Just because some demonstrators break the law by being in the street, for example, it’s not worth creating public anxiety by using officers wearing military-style gear to arrest those people on minor offenses. “In some of the most oppressive countries in the world, when they have civil unrest, the worst they’ll bring out is maybe riot gear,” said Kraska, referring to batons, shields and masks.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:50 pm to ForeverLSU02
Think I don't give a frick
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:51 pm to ForeverLSU02
Seems to be working just fine.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:51 pm to ForeverLSU02
Who cares. Don't protest cause someone resisted arrest, had a gun on them, and got killed. Notice how the protest died down once they realized the cops weren't playing.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:52 pm to ForeverLSU02
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The Police should be able to withstand concrete chunks being thrown at them without armor. The armor just makes the mob angrier.
I find it funny that we are talking about why the police even need to be "militarized" when we just saw them being ambushed by a military-trained sniper with bombs who executed one officer at point blank using advanced combat tactics.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:53 pm to ForeverLSU02
I'll be the bad guy here and say that I don't think police offices should have military-style equipment. We don't live in a police state (supposedly), and every department in the nation doesn't need a SWAT team.
Now bash away.
Now bash away.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:53 pm to ForeverLSU02
I don't mind them using it for riots and other forms of violent protests. However, I do have a problem when they use it when executing warrants for a dimebag of pot.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:54 pm to TigerBait1971
I honestly don't care.
I just thought it was funny that the all
Blacked out riot guys from state police looked like the immortals from 300
I just thought it was funny that the all
Blacked out riot guys from state police looked like the immortals from 300
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:54 pm to ForeverLSU02
Nobody died, nothing was burned to the ground, traffic kept flowing (well a good as it flows in BR).
I'd say they did good work with their assault shields and tactical drones.
I'd say they did good work with their assault shields and tactical drones.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:54 pm to ForeverLSU02
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You would think Baton Rouge would watch Ferguson and learn a lesson. Apparently they didn’t
You mean the Ferguson where protesters were throwing bottles, rocks, and bricks at officers? I'm pretty sure they did watch that and did learn from it. That's why they were wearing the riot gear.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:54 pm to ForeverLSU02
People will criticize anything they can. What they did worked. Who cares what they were wearing. Cops weren't being killed after Ferguson.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:55 pm to therick711
I thought out gunned cops getting killed in Dallas put an end to that discussion? Facing a militarized opponent with a handgun is a shitty proposition.
The California bank robbers should have put that to bed in the late 80's early 90's.
The California bank robbers should have put that to bed in the late 80's early 90's.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:55 pm to ForeverLSU02
A bunch of sensationalist liberal bullshite coming from the Advocate? I don't believe it.
We did watch Ferguson which is why the city isn't smoldering right now.
We did watch Ferguson which is why the city isn't smoldering right now.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:55 pm to ForeverLSU02
It seems their tactics worked and as a law abiding citizen who didn't want their city burned to the ground by outside agitators, I applaud them.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:55 pm to ForeverLSU02
it didnt matter what they wore, they were gonna be criticized
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:55 pm to ForeverLSU02
that looked more like riot gear to me
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:56 pm to ForeverLSU02
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“You would think Baton Rouge would watch Ferguson and learn a lesson. Apparently they didn’t,
I'm sorry. Is BR on fire? Is there widespread rioting and looting? (Well anymore than normal)
No, so it looks like BR dos learn from Ferguson
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:56 pm to ForeverLSU02
Insanely stupid. It is better to be under-prepared than over-prepared? We have seen riots tear Baltimore and Ferguson apart. They weren't going to let that happen here. So, no, it was entirely warranted even if it didn't end up being entirely necessary. It is best to be prepared for the worst.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:56 pm to AnonymousTiger
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I'll be the bad guy here and say that I don't think police offices should have military-style equipment. We don't live in a police state (supposedly), and every department in the nation doesn't need a SWAT team.
Now let's play You're A Cop... would you want to stand in front of a bunch of people yelling "frick the police" and throwing water bottles in just your shirt and pants?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 3:56 pm to ForeverLSU02
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“You would think Baton Rouge would watch Ferguson and learn a lesson. Apparently they didn’t,” said Peter B. Kraska, a professor at Eastern Kentucky University
Professor Kraska might want to flip that, seeing as how we haven't had the first thing burned or looted yet.
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