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The West Memphis 3
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:56 am
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:56 am
Just finished watching the Paradise Lost documentaries. Those images and this story are something that will stick with me for a long, long time.
Do you think The WM3 are guilty?
I can see how misunderstood Damien Echols was and how clearly different he is than most of society, but I can't shake his ties to occultism and what it might mean.
If not, Terry Hobbs?
It's hard to believe that he was the last one ever seen with the victims, and yet he was never investigated or questioned. How could investigators have missed this?
John Mark Byers?
This guy is definitely screwed up. The mystery death of his wife and the mystery loosing of his teeth leave questions. One thing that really stuck with me is how ardent he was in the WM3 guilt and then subsequently how ardent he was in their innocence and Terry Hobbs' guilt.
While I do think the WM3 shouldn't have been convicted based on a lack of evidence, ultimately, I don't know what to think regarding guilt and innocence.
Anyone have any theories or insights they want to share?
Do you think The WM3 are guilty?
I can see how misunderstood Damien Echols was and how clearly different he is than most of society, but I can't shake his ties to occultism and what it might mean.
If not, Terry Hobbs?
It's hard to believe that he was the last one ever seen with the victims, and yet he was never investigated or questioned. How could investigators have missed this?
John Mark Byers?
This guy is definitely screwed up. The mystery death of his wife and the mystery loosing of his teeth leave questions. One thing that really stuck with me is how ardent he was in the WM3 guilt and then subsequently how ardent he was in their innocence and Terry Hobbs' guilt.
While I do think the WM3 shouldn't have been convicted based on a lack of evidence, ultimately, I don't know what to think regarding guilt and innocence.
Anyone have any theories or insights they want to share?
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:58 am to OMapologist
I'm leaning toward hobbs...didnt the GNU profiler pick him out too?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:59 am to OMapologist
Innocent. They were railroaded and I think, had the police not focused on them almost to the exclusion of others, Byers would be the prime suspect.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:00 am to OMapologist
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Do you think The WM3 are guilty?
Absolutely, 100% without a doubt.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:00 am to OMapologist
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Damien
Any boy with this name is guilty of everything
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:01 am to OMapologist
The first one was haunting and made me angry.
Who's guilty? Hobbs surely sounds like it in the depositions. He sounded like a fool.
Byers is just a drug-addict, angry, dumbass redneck who sought his 15 minutes and barely got half of them.
That police department in WM is a shite SHOW. Have they been sued yet?
And they never followed up, seriously and meticulously, on the Mr. Bojangles guy?
Someone killed one and then had to kill the other 2. It was NOT Echols, Baldwin, or Misskelley.
Who's guilty? Hobbs surely sounds like it in the depositions. He sounded like a fool.
Byers is just a drug-addict, angry, dumbass redneck who sought his 15 minutes and barely got half of them.
That police department in WM is a shite SHOW. Have they been sued yet?
And they never followed up, seriously and meticulously, on the Mr. Bojangles guy?
Someone killed one and then had to kill the other 2. It was NOT Echols, Baldwin, or Misskelley.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:01 am to SSpaniel
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Absolutely, 100% without a doubt.
This.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:02 am to SSpaniel
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Absolutely, 100% without a doubt.
What leaves you with no doubt?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:02 am to SSpaniel
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Absolutely, 100% without a doubt.
Based on no DNA and the police room testimony of a borderline retard?
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 9:03 am
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:03 am to OMapologist
Hobbs and Byers were not involved. A detailed breakdown of the timelines that evening give neither of them an opportunity.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:04 am to OMapologist
That's a damn good documentary. Wasn't Damon recently released?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:04 am to Scoop
Which leads me to believe it was some strange trucker/passer-by. This case needs to be reopened.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:06 am to PiscesTiger
Mr. Bojangles is the most likely suspect but because of shoddy police work he'll never be found.
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 9:07 am
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:09 am to Scoop
Yes, I agree. How in the hell was that crime scene butchered/ignored?
Also, West Memphis is a pretty easy place to hit a few different escape routes.
I think the killer may be caught in 30 years to never.
Hobbes, while looking possibly as a top suspect, was likely just a wife beater and a verbal abuser to the children. I don't think he did it, either.
Misskelley...wasn't he at a wrestling match an hour away? So, he never saw Echols and Baldwin do anything for sure.
The funniest part of the whole shite show was allowing the mail-order PHD on cults to actually sit on the stand and talk.
Also, West Memphis is a pretty easy place to hit a few different escape routes.
I think the killer may be caught in 30 years to never.
Hobbes, while looking possibly as a top suspect, was likely just a wife beater and a verbal abuser to the children. I don't think he did it, either.
Misskelley...wasn't he at a wrestling match an hour away? So, he never saw Echols and Baldwin do anything for sure.
The funniest part of the whole shite show was allowing the mail-order PHD on cults to actually sit on the stand and talk.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:10 am to whit
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That's a damn good documentary. Wasn't Damon recently released?
All 3 were released in 2011(?) before an evidence hearing to determine if there would be a new trial under an "Alfred Plea" which is basically a "I'm innocent, but I'm guilty" plea. They were sentenced to time served and left that day. It was one of the biggest WTF moments of the documentaries.
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:10 am to OMapologist
Stepdad all day
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:17 am to OMapologist
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Do you think The WM3 are guilty?
jesus, for the last time, they were cleared by DNA evidence. That's 100%, foolproof science (which I know some of you don't trust). You don't have a Satanic Blood Orgy and not leave behind a microscopic amount of genetic evidence. It was clearly Terry Hobbs. Everyone knows it, including his family.
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 9:18 am
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:20 am to OMapologist
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All 3 were released in 2011(?) before an evidence hearing to determine if there would be a new trial under an "Alfred Plea" which is basically a "I'm innocent, but I'm guilty" plea. They were sentenced to time served and left that day. It was one of the biggest WTF moments of the documentaries.
First of all, it's called the Alford Plea, and it was used for the prosecutors to save face and to ensure that the WM3 couldn't sue the state of Arkansas after the fact for wrongful imprisonment. The WM3 wanted a new trial to prevail outright, but they couldn't take the risk with Damian still on death row that some overzealous hick would rush to have him executed.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:22 am to OMapologist
One of my favorite documentaries, I have no clue who the killer was. I can't decide.
The movie Devils Knot was a steaming pile
The movie Devils Knot was a steaming pile
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 9:32 am
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:24 am to REG861
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they were cleared by DNA evidence. That's 100%, foolproof science
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It was clearly Terry Hobbs.
was terry hobbs DNA at the scene? I ask because I haven't really looked deep into this case
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