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Spinoff of White Guilt Thread- What happened to Black Wall Street?

Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47462 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:07 pm
A black friend of mine posted this on FB last week. I have NEVER heard of this event in American History.

If this is accurate, WTMF is/was wrong with white people? This was 1921 not 1821. Kinda shocking. I know how I feel about it and I'm actually quite ashamed of white folks for this here tragedy.
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Troops were eventually deployed on the afternoon of June 1, but by that time there was not much left of the once thriving Greenwood district. Over 600 successful businesses were lost. Among these were 21 churches, 21 restaurants, 30 grocery stores and two movie theaters, plus a hospital, a bank, a post office, libraries, schools, law offices, a half-dozen private airplanes and even a bus system. Note—It was a time when the entire state of Oklahoma had only two airports, yet six blacks owned their own planes.


Wiki Page to Greenwood, Tulsa, Oklahoma
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 12:08 pm
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:08 pm to
You really didn't know about that?
Posted by lsufanintexas
Member since Sep 2006
5010 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:10 pm to
I feel no guilt about it. Why should I? Just because I'm white? wtf. That's the most ridiculous thing ever invented.

Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47462 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:11 pm to
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You really didn't know about that?


No lie. That was never covered in my HS history class and I went to a pretty diverse Woodlawn in BR.
We had Black History Month assemblies and all.
And I'm the kinda white dude who walks 2 miles in freezing weather from my hotel to pay respects to the MLK memorial in ATL. I seek out all aspects of American history(positive and negative)on personal and business travel.
Not sure how I never heard of this.


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I feel no guilt about it. Why should I? Just because I'm white? wtf. That's the most ridiculous thing ever invented.


I'm not telling you to feel guilt. I'm just sharing the story and my own feelings about it.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 12:13 pm
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
38841 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:14 pm to
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This was 1921 not 1821. Kinda shocking.


Why is this shocking? Blacks were still enslaved in 1821. This wouldn't even have existed back then.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
38841 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:15 pm to
But to answer your question, it was destroyed in the Tulsa Race Riots of 1821.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
10037 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:17 pm to
White Fright.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:17 pm to
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The riot began because of the alleged assault of a white elevator operator, 17-year old Sarah Page, by an African American shoeshiner, 19-year old Dick Rowland (the case against Mr. Rowland was eventually dismissed)

I would have loved to be part of that riot at that time if this is true.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47462 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:17 pm to
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Why is this shocking? Blacks were still enslaved in 1821. This wouldn't even have existed back then.


You realize blacks owned businesses, including engaging in slave trade, in the US during slavery?

Point was the barbaric nature and unmitigated invasion and demolition of an entire neighborhood seems implausible in the 20th century.


This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted by bigpetedatiga
Alexandria, LA
Member since Aug 2009
8621 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:19 pm to
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I would have loved to be part of that riot at that time if this is true.


Two things...

1. The charges were dismissed.

2. We get it, you don't like black people, you can stop laying it on so thick.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47462 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:20 pm to
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I would have loved to be part of that riot at that time if this is true.


There you are. Don't get my thread whacked or yourself banned. I am interested in opinions of my white southern peers b/c I'm pretty sure I was a minority when I felt some degree of shame reading that article my friend posted.

I try to be very rational and logical about all things in our colorful history. I even see the business and practical needs of forced labor in a time of early development of such a HUGE land mass. And I agree that many freed slaves after Emancipation were treated worse than during slavery. But this baseless(dropped charges) shite right here is downright sad. You don't have to feel guilt but who can argue that this was anything but a unilateral terrorist attack?

This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 12:25 pm
Posted by link
Member since Feb 2009
19867 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:20 pm to
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What happened to Black Wall Street?
you can only diversify yo bonds so much
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
38841 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:21 pm to
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Point was the barbaric nature and unmitigated invasion and demolition of an entire neighborhood seems implausible in the 20th century.


Look up the Rosewood massacre.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:21 pm to
i said "if this is true"
Did the courts just let the black guy off for assault?
I don't know
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47462 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:23 pm to
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Look up the Rosewood massacre.


I have read about that one, mostly because the movie and the Internet was becoming valuable research tool about the same time.
Rosewood Movie
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58089 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:26 pm to
This was discussed in the last year around here. Horrible shite and of course most students never heard about this or many shitty things in our history.
There was some other "sides" to the story that thers had pointed out in this issue, but I have no reason to believe the criminal justice system at that time would have done anything in favor of a black man in just about any situation.

With that said, I feel no white guilt what-so-ever. Both my grandparents were dirt arse poor and probably came from some kind of indentured servent bullshite.

Seriously, our countrymen have done some damn shitty stuff, but we are still a far better place than 90% of the rest of the world.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47462 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:29 pm to
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With that said, I feel no white guilt what-so-ever. Both my grandparents were dirt arse poor and probably came from some kind of indentured servent bullshite.


Yea after I thought about it, I feel kind of silly for feeling guilty. But I can't help it when I see people who look exactly like my grandfather and great grandfather doing shite like that whether it's old footage from Ole Miss, Baton Rouge sit-ins, or stuff like Greenwood and Rosewood.

This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 12:32 pm
Posted by Putty
Member since Oct 2003
25482 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:32 pm to
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What happened to Black Wall Street?


Layaway is an inefficient market.
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
71483 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:33 pm to
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i said "if this is true"
Did the courts just let the black guy off for assault?
I don't know

Black guys in 1921 were always catching breaks from the court system. The "assault" was probably that he looked at her.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72004 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:33 pm to
Scruffy doesn't feel guilty about it.

He is angry at the British for kicking his people out of Nova Scotia.

Scruffy hopes you all have British Guilt.
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