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re: Somebody enlighten my privileged white arse on why #AllLivesMatter is racist

Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by JETigER
LSU 2011 National Champions
Member since Dec 2003
7081 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:25 pm to
#onelifedoesn'tmatter is the truth. the world doesn't stop spinning for even a nanosecond if 1 life is lost.
Posted by RDRGeaux09
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2013
1186 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:26 pm to
Ok I'm going to explain this and please try and keep up.

Black lives matter is an organization started because excessive and deadly force used against minorites by police officers. That's why it was started.
There are other organizations that address inner city violence, BLM. Isn't One.
There are community out reaches , church organizations and other things that most large cities have that address inner city violence. Please stop with this dumbass viewpoint that black people don't care about crime.
I bet no one knew anything about the 100 black men that ran from Baltimore to DC as a apart of a fundraising for non violent out reaches in Baltimore
I bet no one knew anything about Johkim Noah marching in a stop the violence protest in Chicago.
I bet no one on this board complaining about "black on black" crime has done lick of volunteering on a night out against crime or gone help in an outreach center in the hood.
So for you all to sit here and complain and say what black people need to do without having any knowledge of what black people are ALREADY DOING, I find it highly disingenuous and insulting.

Again, BLM wasn't started as a community outreach. It was started as a protest group against excessive and deadly force used by the police.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:27 pm to
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The organizers have actually started to formulate a plan to address this issue. They announced it like a week ago.


Seriously, glad to hear it. This was starting to get more and more occupyish. Hopefully it'll get traction and attention and people will begin ignoring the jagoffs who just want to hear themselves talk over Bernie Sanders.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84571 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:30 pm to
We're basically on the same page here.

I'd argue that the reason the movement was hijacked was because of the BLM slogan, hence the reason I said it was brought on by their own doing.

The other problem is the original leaders welcomed the current members with open arms. They did nothing to stop the movement from turning into the circus it has become, which leads me to believe their original intentions weren't altruistic in the first place. I think this is exactly what they wanted, and they simply used police brutality as a jumping off point.
Posted by marchballer
The Greatest Country on Earth
Member since Aug 2008
4117 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:30 pm to
Here is the link for reference.

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Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
28893 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:30 pm to
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The way black ppl are treated by some in society is awful but if we get our community more educated and reduce the amount of crime in our communities then our perception and treatment will improve.

Just curious your thoughts on black exclusive events? For example a town in Georgia just had a "black rodeo" and another had a "black softball game/league". Also black entertainment television? Just curious your thought on that sort of thing as I feel we're much further along than this as a country.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18664 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:36 pm to
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Yes they are


Once again, as stated from a leader of the BLM movement the idea is about focusing on issues of black people.

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Every time one of these BLM "events" happens, what else ALWAYS happens? Looting, burning & killing; that's why the BLM movement is a crock of shite.


That's because these movements have also attracted a lot of low class individuals. There are plenty of people at these rallies choosing to peacefully assemble. Unfortunately the media wants to watch the world burn, and they can't make very much money off of unicorns and rainbows.

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No one gives a shite about other people's lives; they care about their own lives. It's not because of racism, it's because of survival.



That's called capitalism.

Frankly, the issues that both sides are complaining about are symptoms of deeper issues. Much of this stems back to basic socioeconomics. It also falls on an education system that is pigeon-holing kids into a college preparatory system, when many of these kids don't have the aptitude or means to go to college.

So what is wrong with the current education system? Currently, if a student completes their high school education at an average public school they don't have a good basis in life skills. Sure they can read and write, but they often don't have a great grasp of things like personal finance. Other students don't complete school due to personal or familial challenges. Since they are set even further back, I think we need a way to meet the needs of all types of students. Systems in Germany have been successful by identifying lower aptitude students, and placing them in more vocational focused programs in high school. These same programs could also benefit students that likely do not have the means or interest to go to college. While bettering the education system helps solve part of the problem, what are other issues that need attention?

Many of the crimes committed are not senseless acts of violence. They stem from a case of the haves and have nots. This goes back to the socioeconomic point made earlier, and is further elucidated when we look at how race in this country heavily correlates with it. Likewise, because socioeconomic class is inversely correlated with crime, we can see how law enforcement focuses its efforts on more closely monitoring a certain group of people. Unfortunately, this has lead to instances of unfair profiling. Therefore we need to look for additional ways beyond education to raise people up.

While education is incredibly important to upward social mobility, it may have numerous constraints. Many young students drop out of school due to various financial strains. Again, crime is also bore from the same vein. If people do not have what they need, they may make poor choices to get it. A lot of this boils down to an ethics question that is very difficult to answer. Much of the talk these days is centered around a so called "living wage." This has become very clouded because items and services that were once thought to be a luxury or privilege are more and more being considered a need or even a right. This is clearly evident in much of the debt stricken middle class, and only gets worse as income decreases. While handout programs can often make things worse, I think there needs to be a better effort to communicate that numerous already existing community services can help provide access to many of these perceived needs. Additionally many things, like public transportation, could be improved upon in many areas.

Lastly, presidential candidates often talk about job creation in our country. These efforts are typically focused on creating middle class jobs. However, people in a lower socioeconomic position likely do not have skills to obtain these jobs. Furthermore, decent paying blue collar jobs have largely been outsourced in the name of producing cheaper goods. What was thought to be better for all, has come at the expense of many.

The problems with the lower social class are multifaceted. Working to better education, public services, and better paying jobs could help to remove some of the current constraints. However, these things can only work if attitudes are changed. This isn't simply a black problem, it is a society problem. We need to work together to raise up our nation.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110345 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:40 pm to
The upvotes and downvotes in this thread are awesome.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:41 pm to
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Black lives matter is an organization started because excessive and deadly force used against minorites by police officers
i seriously couldn't stand to read any more past what you said right here.

It's a perception that idiots have run with because of media sensationalism. Plain and simple.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78169 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:43 pm to
You really need to get over yourself. Seriously, you do. We aren't your enemy.

Consider T A L K I N G to people, sans the condescending comments. Or just continue to melt down and assume the worst about dozens of people on the internet that you have put in a neat little category and branded with slurs.

We all know that there are many conscientious black people in communities all over the country that have devoted their lives to reforming their neighborhoods. Theirs is a noble cause and an uphill climb. The amount of black on black violence has depressed and demoralized the entire country, not just black people. We ALL want it to stop. Like yesterday.

And no matter where BLM "started" in your mind, it has devolved to base race-baiting,over-the-top anti-white racism and incitement of violence. When it literally celebrates the death of cops, that's when I stop listening.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67475 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:44 pm to
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That's because these movements have also attracted a lot of low class individuals. There are plenty of people at these rallies choosing to peacefully assemble. Unfortunately the media wants to watch the world burn, and they can't make very much money off of unicorns and rainbows.

If the peaceful folks would "police" these events and get rid of the lowlifes, the movement could gain some legitimacy.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:45 pm to
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So what is wrong with the current education system? Currently, if a student completes their high school education at an average public school they don't have a good basis in life skills. Sure they can read and write, but they often don't have a great grasp of things like personal finance.


The black man doesn't understand the world


^^^said by a black minister^^^^
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
84986 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:46 pm to
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If people do not have what they need, they may make poor choices to get it.

I know a bunch of people that don't have what they need, and make excellent, not poor choices to get it. Work an extra job. Put in overtime. Go back to school. They are now doing wonderful. I guess we don't hang out in the same social circles?
Posted by RDRGeaux09
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2013
1186 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:48 pm to
Perception... Right. You know people like you are exactly why these conversations never get anywhere.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:51 pm to
quote:

Perception... Right. You know people like you are exactly why these conversations never get anywhere.
so,you have statistics that show blacks are targeted by police and are abused at a greater rate than any other ethnicity.

Or,are you just perceiving things to be this way?
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
28893 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:53 pm to
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Perception... Right. You know people like you are exactly why these conversations never get anywhere.

I've been listening to black radio talk shows on the morning commute to get "an understanding" of the black community, and I am absolutely appalled with the agenda of the commentators to feed and stir up the racist victim talk. I encourage everyone to listen for a few minutes each morning, it's so frustrating and such a double standard.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:53 pm to
anchor

And........I guess this topic has run its course with admins.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18664 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:56 pm to
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If the peaceful folks would "police" these events and get rid of the lowlifes, the movement could gain some legitimacy.


Didn't see the videos from Ferguson with the young guys standing guard to prevent more stores from being looted?
Posted by stampman
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
4917 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:00 pm to
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They feel that no one cares about their perceived plight,


Hell..they don't care about "their perceived plight" by the little regard they exhibit in their murder rate! Even Obama looks the other way unless a cop is involved!
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18664 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:01 pm to
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I know a bunch of people that don't have what they need, and make excellent, not poor choices to get it. Work an extra job. Put in overtime. Go back to school. They are now doing wonderful. I guess we don't hang out in the same social circles?


It's called a generalization. So to clarify they may make poor choices.

The point is not about the choices they should be making. The idea was that the high crime rate of people making poor choices when they are already impoverished.

I could further expand that these things have been proven to be largely cyclical, but let's save that for an unanchored thread.
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