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So it looks like the Air Asia pilots stalled the plane
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:59 pm
Were climbing vertical at a rate 3 times more than they should, which slowed air speed, and then went into a stall. Boom
How is this possible ? Do they not have sensors/instruments that warn against this ?
"Citing radar data, Mr Jonan said: "The plane, during the last minutes, went up faster than normal speed... then it stalled."
"It is unlikely that a fighter jet would increase its flight level at a speed of 6,000ft per minute," he was quoted as saying by the Jakarta Post.
"The average speed of a commercial aircraft is probably between 1,000 and 2,000ft per minute because the aircraft is not designed to soar so fast," he told a House of Representatives commission. ""
How is this possible ? Do they not have sensors/instruments that warn against this ?
"Citing radar data, Mr Jonan said: "The plane, during the last minutes, went up faster than normal speed... then it stalled."
"It is unlikely that a fighter jet would increase its flight level at a speed of 6,000ft per minute," he was quoted as saying by the Jakarta Post.
"The average speed of a commercial aircraft is probably between 1,000 and 2,000ft per minute because the aircraft is not designed to soar so fast," he told a House of Representatives commission. ""
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 9:07 pm
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:00 pm to Drop4Loss
obviously not in asia - rip biggie and tupac
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:01 pm to Drop4Loss
Wi Tu Hai
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:01 pm to Drop4Loss
Instruments can freeze up, Air France flight caused that.
Along with pilots thinking they know more than the instrumentation
Along with pilots thinking they know more than the instrumentation
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:01 pm to Drop4Loss
Could have been an updraft or over correction
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:02 pm to Drop4Loss
is this verified?...honestly, that is the most elementary of things to know while flying and if that is what happened, it is the most negligent thing I have ever heard of a professional pilot doing...
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:03 pm to Spankum
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is this verified?..
Reported today from the black box
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:04 pm to Drop4Loss
Wait I thought they were praying to allaha while it crashed...according to that article no one read.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:04 pm to fightin tigers
Air France pilots failed to manually turn on the heaters for the Pitot tubes. That's why they froze up and gave either no info or erroneous info to the pilots.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:04 pm to Drop4Loss
Air France 447 did something similar. In their case, the air speed (pitot tubes) iced over so the computer was confused. With two less-experienced pilots were flying because captain was in rest quarters, they didn't have any clue what was happening until they crashed.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:04 pm to Spankum
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We now understand that, indeed, AF447 passed into clouds associated with a large system of thunderstorms, its speed sensors became iced over, and the autopilot disengaged. In the ensuing confusion, the pilots lost control of the airplane because they reacted incorrectly to the loss of instrumentation and then seemed unable to comprehend the nature of the problems they had caused. Neither weather nor malfunction doomed AF447, nor a complex chain of error, but a simple but persistent mistake on the part of one of the pilots.
LINK
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:05 pm to Drop4Loss
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:05 pm to Drop4Loss
Cut off thread titles cause threads to be anchored/deleted...
Maybe they don't read the rules that warn against this?
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How is this possible ?
Maybe they don't read the rules that warn against this?
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:06 pm to fightin tigers
If youre at that rate of an incline, how do you not know or feel it ?
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:08 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
Instruments can freeze up, Air France flight caused that.
Along with pilots thinking they know more than the instrumentation
Their plane had a system that prevented the pilots from the stalling the plane. However they didn't know that it was automatically disabled when the airspeed sensors stopped working because they were frozen. Thus, the rookie pilot managed to stall the plane because he didn't know it was even possible because the pilots weren't familiar with the autopilot system.
Edit: Bunk Moreland said it better
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:19 pm to Drop4Loss
Birgenair flight 301 had systems malfunction and pilot error that caused a similar situation
Climbing the air speed valve was clogged and showed the plane was climbing too fast which shut the auto pilot off and the pilot trusted his panel and reduced thrust to slow down his ascent
Immediately threw the plane into a stall and dropped from the sky
Climbing the air speed valve was clogged and showed the plane was climbing too fast which shut the auto pilot off and the pilot trusted his panel and reduced thrust to slow down his ascent
Immediately threw the plane into a stall and dropped from the sky
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:24 pm to Drop4Loss
I'm guessing they didn't trust their instruments ... Biggest mistake a pilot can make.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:25 pm to fightin tigers
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Instruments can freeze up, Air France flight caused that.
I'm pretty sure you're getting your cause and effect backwards.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:40 pm to foshizzle
Didn't they ask for an altitude change and were denied?
How can you lose the sensation that you are falling? I understand that you lose visual at night and in clouds(JFK Jr), but that is when not instrument trained. A commercial pilot should be more than instrument trained. Can they become too instrument dependent. In addition how often do altimeters malfunction?
How can you lose the sensation that you are falling? I understand that you lose visual at night and in clouds(JFK Jr), but that is when not instrument trained. A commercial pilot should be more than instrument trained. Can they become too instrument dependent. In addition how often do altimeters malfunction?
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