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Self employed OT ballers, How much do you deduct?

Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:33 pm
Posted by gsvar2004
Member since Nov 2007
7951 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:33 pm
Not a money board question, but how much do y'all deduct, do y'all try to get profits as low as possible to lessen tax burden? The reason I ask is we are wanting to get a new home or possibly build and the last couple years I've deducted way down as low as possible. I haven't filed for 2016 yet and am debating on claiming more and biting the bullet to qualify for a bigger mortgage.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62721 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:34 pm to
self employed OT ballers don't pay taxes.
Posted by Rockbrc
Attic
Member since Nov 2015
7904 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:34 pm to
You're from the government and you're here to help, right?
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
19802 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:35 pm to
Shady thread
Posted by gsvar2004
Member since Nov 2007
7951 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:37 pm to
Nah not a gubment guy, just really curious how to get around this to qualify for a mortgage.
Posted by LakeViewLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2009
17730 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:37 pm to
Everything

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Posted by ellishughtiger
70118
Member since Jul 2004
21135 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:38 pm to
However much my personal CPA tells me to
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21854 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:43 pm to
Anything and everything that's business related and that I have a receipt or documentation for and that my CPA says I can deduct. Nothing less, nothing more. Don't wanna give anymore of my money to Uncle Sam than I have to but don't want to screw myself over and end up in hot water if I ever got audited.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42557 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:44 pm to
30%?
Posted by gsvar2004
Member since Nov 2007
7951 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:44 pm to
This is me too but with my wife (no pics) making 40k a year we barely qualify for shite.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10324 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:45 pm to
OT Ballers keep two sets of books

One for bankers and prospective buyers

The other for the IRS

When either of the first two want to see correspondence with entity #3: Photoshop.

Don't be a Boy Scout.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:47 pm to
Snitches get stitches
Posted by T Blair
Member since Feb 2013
409 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:48 pm to
Narc
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21854 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

how to get around this to qualify for a mortgage


When I got my mortgage they averaged my net income claimed from previous 2 years of tax filings. They took average monthly income compared to all debts. The guy who did my loan told me that all my monthly debt payments (including the new mortgage) would need to stay around 45% or lower of my monthly income based on the average from 2 years taxes.

If you think you'd be cutting it tight on that 45% debt ratio when you factor new mortgage and all existing debt, then you probably need to bite the bullet this year and take less deductions to make your income look higher. If your debt ratio is low, then you can deduct more.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84609 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:58 pm to
quote:

This is me too but with my wife (no pics) making 40k a year we barely qualify for shite.


With a debt-to-income ratio of ~36% on the upper end, you can get a $300k home with 20% down.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
102970 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:03 pm to
Can't help you. I don't pay taxes. Several years ago I just wrote DECEASED across the firm and sent it in to IRS. Haven't heard a peep so far.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
8595 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:41 pm to
If you try to show you make hardly any money, when you try to borrow money you will be screwed. Unless, you don't need to borrow because you socked it away rather than spending it. However, most people spend it. If you're paying taxes, banks love to lend money. Just a general statement. If you don't think you will need to borrow money soon, you can try to reduce your taxes to nothing if possible. It's hard to sell a business if you show you don't make money. I purchased a business that was taking money under the table, but I purchased the business based on the profit and loss that they paid taxes on, not the money the took under the table.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35473 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:45 pm to
2016 won't help much. Lenders look at a 2 year history so people can't game the system and do what you stated.

The IRS would also love to know if you been artificially lowering your income. Just be honest about what you make.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:45 pm to
Make yourself an S Corp. Pay yourself w2 salary, pay withholding taxes monthly or quarterly, and still claim the deductions against the company. At the end of the year, pay yourself a bonus which totals the leftover cash on hand. Basically, you save 15% self employment taxes on all of the w2 money.
Wont work for 2016, but you can starting now

Your welcome
Posted by Bullfrog
Institutionalized but Unevaluated
Member since Jul 2010
56151 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:46 pm to
If you load the books and later need a mortgage, you've screwed yourself. If your run lean and clean a few years, you can get the mortgage but have still screwed yourself.

Welcome to harsh reality of owning a bid'ness.
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