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Question for OT Law Enforcement Officers...BR Shooting Related
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:57 pm
Straight up, I'll go on the record and say I know all the facts aren't released yet in the recent shooting on Acadian, and I am not suggesting/insinuating anything other than ask the OT LEOs a "situational question".
Q: Does exiting a vehicle with a firearm in your hand give a police officer sufficient justification to react with lethal force? Or do you have to actually raise the weapon to draw justified return fire?
Q: Does exiting a vehicle with a firearm in your hand give a police officer sufficient justification to react with lethal force? Or do you have to actually raise the weapon to draw justified return fire?
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:00 pm to TDFreak
The real question is:
If someone gets pulled over by the cops, what would be the reason why they would exit the vehicle with a gun in their hand?
If someone gets pulled over by the cops, what would be the reason why they would exit the vehicle with a gun in their hand?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:02 pm to upgrayedd
True. Very stupid move. I'd never do it!
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:02 pm to TDFreak
That's just asking to get shot. That cop doesn't know your intent with the weapon.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:04 pm to TDFreak
quote:I suspect there is more to the story regarding that as you said. But if you exit a vehicle, weapon drawn and do not drop when ordered, drop with the quickness, you will likely get shot. Seems fair to an officer because it only takes a split second for someone to get a shot off, so you better drop that shite immediately.
Q: Does exiting a vehicle with a firearm in your hand give a police officer sufficient justification to react with lethal force? Or do you have to actually raise the weapon to draw justified return fire?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:06 pm to TDFreak
Changed my mind. If he exited the car with a gun in hand, he should be shot.
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:08 pm to TDFreak
Well. It is proven that if I stand with a gun at my side and you with your gun pointed at me, we will consistently tie or you will lose if I decide to shoot you. The reaction time required to see me raising the gun and you making the decision to shoot will cause you to get shot every time. We are talking tenths of a second. So would you let him start raising the gun?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:12 pm to TDFreak
quote:
: Does exiting a vehicle with a firearm in your hand give a police officer sufficient justification to react with lethal force? Or do you have to actually raise the weapon to draw justified return fire?
I depends on the officers perception and if his perception was reasonable.
If the officer believes his life was endangered and that belief is reasonable he has the right to use lethal force.
The gun does not have to be pointed at him. It takes less than half a second to raise a gun and fire it. It would be unreasonable to require police to observe the gun raise and then try to react to it in that frame of time.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:12 pm to TDFreak
If you have a gun in your hands as you exit a vehicle, expect to be shot.
If you need the gun to get away from you, throw it out the window and put your hands up. Throw it on the floorboard and exit the vehicle. Something other than exiting the vehicle with it in your hands. There is no excuse valid as to why you would need to exit your vehicle with a gun in your hands while a police officer is present.
Just knowing I have one under my seat, I always roll my window down and place my hands on the window sill, explaining to the officer I have a weapon in the vehicle under the seat. This makes them feel better about the situation.
If you need the gun to get away from you, throw it out the window and put your hands up. Throw it on the floorboard and exit the vehicle. Something other than exiting the vehicle with it in your hands. There is no excuse valid as to why you would need to exit your vehicle with a gun in your hands while a police officer is present.
Just knowing I have one under my seat, I always roll my window down and place my hands on the window sill, explaining to the officer I have a weapon in the vehicle under the seat. This makes them feel better about the situation.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:12 pm to BingWaterTiger
quote:
But if you exit a vehicle, weapon drawn
Hell, exit the vehicle with a firearm NOT holstered is grounds IMHO.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:13 pm to TDFreak
quote:
Or do you have to actually raise the weapon to draw justified return fire?
At this time we dont know if he threatened the cops while holding a gun.
quote:
Q: Does exiting a vehicle with a firearm in your hand give a police officer sufficient justification to react with lethal force
10 years ago if someone did this and the cop shoots and kills, bad on him. This day in age with all the political tension and hatred for cops by certain demographic of society, if the cop hesitates one second while someone is holding a gun he is probably dead.
Until the specifics come out, Im not going to jump on the cop for his actions.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:13 pm to upgrayedd
In a fight , you have the mentality " if he swings first that's his arse". Which I've done but with a gun , not !!
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:14 pm to TDFreak
quote:Absolutely
Does exiting a vehicle with a firearm in your hand give a police officer sufficient justification to react with lethal force?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:14 pm to jbgleason
Reaction time is a legit argument. I know these folks have families to go home to. No hard working officer deserves to be killed by pieces of crap with rap sheets a mile long.
I'm just wondering what the official policy is.
I'm just wondering what the official policy is.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:14 pm to TDFreak
quote:
Does exiting a vehicle with a firearm in your hand give a police officer sufficient justification to react with lethal force? Or do you have to actually raise the weapon to draw justified return fire?
You don't brandish a weapon unless you intend on using it, so if a moron gets out of a car with his gun, they should shoot his dumb arse immediately.
Police officers should be in schools routinely to drive into kids how to act around police officers. If they grow up and choose to act like a moron, they will suffer the consequences of their stupidity.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:15 pm to BingWaterTiger
There is a lot more to the shooting and it will be released in due time.
Was a clean shoot in my opinion and the officer is lucky to be alive.
Was a clean shoot in my opinion and the officer is lucky to be alive.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:15 pm to TDFreak
if a dude gets out with a gun knowing im a cop, i am fricking shooting him
not worth taking the chance if i have a family and kids
who in their right mind exits a vehicle with a gun after a cop has pulled you over...
how this is even a debate is beyond me!!!!
not worth taking the chance if i have a family and kids
who in their right mind exits a vehicle with a gun after a cop has pulled you over...
how this is even a debate is beyond me!!!!
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:15 pm to TDFreak
Think of it like this... we've seen enough videos in recent years where a wallet in your hand has led to shootings. You think a gun will get a pass if it's pointed at the ground?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:17 pm to TDFreak
quote:
Q: Does exiting a vehicle with a firearm in your hand give a police officer sufficient justification to react with lethal force? Or do you have to actually raise the weapon to draw justified return fire?
FWIW, there are plenty of videos of LEO's getting shot by waiting to long to shoot a perp with a gun in hand. One does not exit a vehicle with a weapon in hand if they are not intending on using it.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:19 pm to TDFreak
quote:
Does exiting a vehicle with a firearm in your hand give a police officer sufficient justification to react with lethal force?
If I'm on the jury, it does, and that's the real problem the cops contend with, isn't it? If they get a jury that believes they can only return fire if the other guy reloads to go again, they're fricked no matter what they do, aren't they?
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