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re: Question for Iraq/Afghanistan vets and friends of same: (possible trigger alert)
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:37 pm to yankeeundercover
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:37 pm to yankeeundercover
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Anyone who does is probably full of shite about 90%+ of what they're saying.
Like a bunch of FOBITs sharing stories to anyone that will listen.
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Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:37 pm to baybeefeetz
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How the hell do you correct/address/adjust/whatever that?
Basically try to understand their feelings. My counsler said its not other peoples fault that they haven't seen or done things that you have. Traffic, spouse problems, kid problems etc. that people bitch about being such a big deal isn't to you because you know how bad things could really be. An example would be a parent who lost a child or has a child with cancer really doesn't give a shite about little Johnny acting an arse in Wal-Mart or didn't make the baseball team etc.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:42 pm to DesertTiger44
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The Army called it "Failure to Adjust" back when they refused to give a PTSD rating.
Yep, myself and other vets of this era are very fortunate that we had access to help and PTSD was recognized and you can get help for it. I always think about how lucky I am for that. Veterans of past wars didn't have that advantage. Its one of the things Vietnam vets don't get credit for, they're the main ones who fought for it for so long and didn't stop till they won.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:45 pm to RedTigerRulz
If it comes up, I just say welcome home and leave it at that unless they clearly want to talk about it.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:46 pm to ssgrice
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Anyone who does is probably full of shite about 90%+ of what they're saying.
Like a bunch of FOBITs sharing stories to anyone that will listen.
Not sure who this directed at, but I can assure you I wasn't some fricking FOBIT.
You guys sound just like all the old timers with that "if they talk about it they're full of shite" shtick. Read a fricking book. Talking about your experiences and seeking help is how we are trying to fight this 22 veteran suicides a day problem we're having.
It also doesn't hurt to let some people who haven't experienced war firsthand get a little bit of knowledge and insight on what it's actually like to go through something like that.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:49 pm to KajunGator
2nd acr. Camp dragoon.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:53 pm to tigerpimpbot
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My buddy was a medic in the first gulf war and said he injured both wrists from fapping too much.
The older of my younger brothers saw some stuff there, doesn't like to talk about it and he had a rough time recently but the youngest doesn't like to talk about stuff because the most action he saw was falling out of a watchtower.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:53 pm to baybeefeetz
Ieds, being shot at, mortar rounds hitting the fob, participating in a heroes ceremony when your fallen comrad was kia
I'm sure there is more
I'm sure there is more
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:54 pm to baybeefeetz
Scud missle attacks. Having to MOP up 
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:54 pm to Yammie250F
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Its one of the things Vietnam vets don't get credit for, they're the main ones who fought for it for so long and didn't stop till they won.
Very interesting point. Never heard this said.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:56 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Truthfully its never been a problem. Some people are more susceptible to PTSD I guess. I was never really affected by it anymore once I got back to the States. Every person is different. I also didn't have a close friend get vaporized right next to me either so I can understand some people losing it a bit.
Same here. I'm just very laid back by nature. Other friends that I was with over there are pretty messed up.
Only thing that really stuck with me were the random explosions that you'd hear in Iraq every day. Most were distant explosions, some were mortars landing at our FOB. You never really get used to that and still to this day I imagine random explosions happening here in my surroundings. Writing about this here sounds pretty weird come to think of it. It's probably some form of PTSD.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:58 pm to lsucoonass
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heroes ceremony when your fallen comrad was kia
Still hard to do.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 4:11 pm to DesertTiger44
I don't really have anything to add, because i didn't serve. But suicides aren't a recent thing. That stuff happened with the vets of WW2 as well. All my grandfathers and nearly all my great uncles fought in WW2. The one that saw the most action, and climbed through the ranks rather quickly, killed himself a year or 2 after the war.
Like Desert said, thank God soldiers now at least have a legitimate outlet to get treatment. Back in the day, no such outlet existed. Can't imagine how hard that was.
Like Desert said, thank God soldiers now at least have a legitimate outlet to get treatment. Back in the day, no such outlet existed. Can't imagine how hard that was.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 4:16 pm to DesertTiger44
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Not sure who this directed at, but I can assure you I wasn't some fricking FOBIT.
Wasn't directed at you then.
The FOBITs out there know who they are, if you weren't one then that comment doesn't pertain to you.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 4:19 pm to ssgrice
Fair enough. 
Posted on 5/6/15 at 4:23 pm to LEASTBAY
Posted on 5/6/15 at 4:33 pm to baybeefeetz
Getting shot at isn't shite, it's those damn IEDs.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 4:36 pm to DesertTiger44
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You guys sound just like all the old timers with that "if they talk about it they're full of shite" shtick
I am an old timer, I don't care if people talk about it. If I am asked I will gladly talk and answer any questions. I just don't lie/BS about what myself or my PLT did/didn't do.
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Talking about your experiences
Some people are just glory hounds and bring it up in places like airports without being asked. Those are the ones that look for a way to insert it into every conversation. it usually starts off with "That reminds me of when I was in Afghanistan" or whatever place.
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Talking about your experiences and seeking help is how we are trying to fight this 22 veteran suicides a day problem we're having
I am all for people getting the help they want/need. War is nasty and even nastier for some people. Everyone handles/ copes with it differntly. I don't think anyone is weak because they need help.
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This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 5/6/15 at 4:39 pm to BugAC
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I don't really have anything to add, because i didn't serve. But suicides aren't a recent thing. That stuff happened with the vets of WW2 as well. All my grandfathers and nearly all my great uncles fought in WW2. The one that saw the most action, and climbed through the ranks rather quickly, killed himself a year or 2 after the war.
Like Desert said, thank God soldiers now at least have a legitimate outlet to get treatment. Back in the day, no such outlet existed. Can't imagine how hard that was.
Funny you say that...
Until states started allowing no-fault divorce in the 1970's, the highest divorce rate of any year in American history was, by far and away, 1946. You never hear that, though.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 4:47 pm to baybeefeetz
The biggest concern was IEDs and VBIEDs for me.
most Traumatic someone else said it "The Hero Ceremony" for your fallen brothers.
most Traumatic someone else said it "The Hero Ceremony" for your fallen brothers.
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