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re: Pregnant Woman Slammed to Ground and Arrested for Refusing to Give Her Name
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:20 pm to GeeOH
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:20 pm to GeeOH
quote:
There was NO "need" in this case.
I don't care what happens, a pregnant woman should never be handled and the on to the ground for resisting arrest.
Did the cop overreact, and overstepped his bounds in dealing with this woman? Yes.
Could the woman have avoided this ENTIRE situation by just answering basic, simple questions like her name? An even bigger yes.
That's what gets me. People scream bloody murder about how awful and terrible cops are, yet they provoke and prod them into overstepping their bounds. Just answer the got damn question and go on about your business.
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:21 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:Why couldn't she not answer the question and go about her business?
Just answer the got damn question and go on about your business.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:22 pm to Jimbeaux
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Looked to me like the officers acted appropriately.
If we want our cops to be street level arbiters of angry confrontations between people, then we should expect a level of cooperation. If people are uncooperative, I have no problem with cops making arrests for minor misdemeanor resisting an officer type charges.
If we don't want officers to get involved in those incidents, then we can expect more people to escalate those interactions with violence. It's all a part of being a member of a civil society. Cooperate with the cops, especially when they are being reasonable, or else expect to get arrested.
So better safe than sorry? Nothing questionable really happened until he put his hands on her. She was emotionally charged, but she was not a threat. The situation could have been handled more patiently and gently, and it still seems odd that a judge dropped the charges yet nothing happened to the cops.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:23 pm to WDE24
Because then someone who likely has averageish intelligence with a great deal of power is in a position to lose their cool and overreact, like what happened. I've already said I'm not defending the cops actions, he's in the wrong.
But once again, this whole thing doesn't happen if she just says what her NAME is. I mean it's a frickin name. Does she feel her rights have been so mightily trampled upon by telling him what her name is? One of the 2 women in this situation was calm and answered the cops questions, it was also the woman that didn't create a confrontation and was free to enjoy the rest of her day wtih no issues.
But once again, this whole thing doesn't happen if she just says what her NAME is. I mean it's a frickin name. Does she feel her rights have been so mightily trampled upon by telling him what her name is? One of the 2 women in this situation was calm and answered the cops questions, it was also the woman that didn't create a confrontation and was free to enjoy the rest of her day wtih no issues.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:23 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:What was she resisting? Was she within her rights to do so?
If people are uncooperative, I have no problem with cops making arrests for minor misdemeanor resisting an officer type charges.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:24 pm to Cumulonimbus
Comply or die!!
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:24 pm to WG_Dawg
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White lady answers all questions asked, goes on about her day.
Black lady throws down the race card, refuses to answer basic questions like her name, gets dealt with.
Seems pretty cut and dry what happened here.
What lead to the situation may seem cut and dry, but how it was handled doesn't. Did she really need to be handled forcefully just because she was rude? The cop was rude too and ignored her please to be gentle since she was pregnant.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:26 pm to Cosmo
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But im guessing it was another instance where if she was just polite to the officers she could have been on her way in a few seconds.
nope
he asks for her name, she gives her first name but wants to call her BF to see if she has to give her full name. He says fine he'll give her two minutes to do it. After about 15-20 seconds he and his partner starts grabbing her and push her up against a fence and star cuffing her. She struggles a little (probably b/c its hard for a pregnant as frick woman to put her hands behind her back) and they shove her belly first into the ground and start asking why she is resisting.
Sorry but they were completely in the wrong here and it only escalated b/c the one cop was being impatient.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:26 pm to GeeOH
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I literally hate cops. I don't use them and have never had a "need" for one.
If I ever need one, great! But I won't "owe" them gratitude. I've been paying taxes out of my arse for 30+ years to pay them to be there when needed.
There was NO "need" in this case.
I don't care what happens, a pregnant woman should never be handled and the on to the ground for resisting arrest. Shocker, people with medical conditions resist being handled!
Upvoted. I don't hate cops and no one I care about has shared any bad experiences with me, but your post is spot on.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:27 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:Obviously she distrusts law enforcement. I can't imagine why.
But once again, this whole thing doesn't happen if she just says what her NAME is. I mean it's a frickin name. Does she feel her rights have been so mightily trampled upon by telling him what her name is?
Maybe she could have avoided it by providing her name, but we don't know that. We do know if the law enforcement officer had followed the law, a pretty basic standard imo, then this would not have happened.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:28 pm to GeeOH
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I don't care what happens, a pregnant woman should never be handled and the on to the ground for resisting arrest. Shocker, people with medical conditions resist being handled!
It's simple. If YOU are pregnant, then YOU should be careful not to argue with cops or resist.
This repeats the no win scenario for cops over and over again. We as a society expect them to be arbiters between, in this case, two emotional and pissed off females who have made claims of that they were threatened. Guess what, not very many people have the patience of Ghandi, much less low paid, stessed out cops. We need to have an EXPECTATION that if you don't cooperate with cops, you go to jail.
That lady brought it on herself. Furthermore, she's exaggerating the "fall to the ground". If pregnant woman were as fragile as they sometimes claim, then they shouldn't even be out and about.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:30 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:
But once again, this whole thing doesn't happen if she just says what her NAME is. I mean it's a frickin name. Does she feel her rights have been so mightily trampled upon by telling him what her name is? One of the 2 women in this situation was calm and answered the cops questions, it was also the woman that didn't create a confrontation and was free to enjoy the rest of her day wtih no issues.
1 - You don't have to give your name just b/c a cop asks in CA.
2 - Why the hell are you bringing up THE WOMAN WHO CALLED THE COPS and her being calm as if that means dick? Of course she was calm, she called the cops.
You telling me you wouldn't be agitated if cops came up and started wanting your name (which you are not legally obligated to give) b/c some lady got pissy with you in a school parking lot?
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:30 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:Resist what?
It's simple. If YOU are pregnant, then YOU should be careful not to argue with cops or resist.
If you are a cop, then you should comply with the law, right?
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:30 pm to WDE24
quote:
Why couldn't she not answer the question and go about her business?
and at what point do inquiries overstep a cop's responsibilities? The woman had a child at the school. There were other means of calmly defusing the situation and getting her identity.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:30 pm to Cumulonimbus
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I thank you and the last few posters for actually addressing the relevant problems. Extramarital sex is not the issue in this article.
Seems relevant to me. She is a bad person and was going to get arrested eventually. They basically prevented a future crime.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:31 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:lol
We need to have an EXPECTATION that if you don't cooperate with cops, you go to jail.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:31 pm to WDE24
quote:
Obviously she distrusts law enforcement. I can't imagine why
That's exactly my point. People are so terrified and hateful of the police...wouldn't you think it would make them want to avoid these nasty confrontations if at all possible? It's not like they approached her and forced her to the ground immediately at gunpoint. They were JUST as civil with her at the start of the conversation as they were with the white lady. That's a fact. Their actions were dictated by how both ladies responded to them. White lady was civil and calm, and did what they asked. No issues. Black lady brought up the race card, within about 15 seconds, unprovoked, and refused to answer the most basic of all questions.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:32 pm to Cumulonimbus
You misunderstood my post due to my intentional use of a double negative.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:32 pm to Cumulonimbus
They protected and served the hell out of that bitch. The truth is you don't slam pregnant women. That's all there is to it. What if that had killed the baby? I would hope the cops get charged with murder. Secondly it's obvious no crime was committed as the charge was thrown out. That would also be my kids last day at that school
Posted on 5/28/15 at 2:33 pm to WDE24
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Maybe she could have avoided it by providing her name, but we don't know that.
Orly? I think we know that for a fact, considering we have evidence not 2 minutes prior with them interacting with someone else and not throwing her to the ground.
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