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Policies: High school vs College

Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:14 pm
Posted by jac1280
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Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:14 pm
What are some policies that your high school had, that in hindsight, you wish were different so you were better prepared for college and had more realistic expectations?

I teach high school math, mostly seniors, and one thing I notice, and it drives me nuts, is that if a student misses a class and shows up on test day, all he/she has to say is "i can't take the test, i missed class. i have 3 days to make it up"

In college, if your math class is T, Th and you miss Tuesday and show up Thursday, which happens to be a test day, you are definitely taking the test. Your professor is not giving you "3 days" to make it up.

Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:18 pm to
High schools should teach finance as a requirement to graduate
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:30 pm to
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Th and you miss Tuesday and show up Thursday, which happens to be a test day, you are definitely taking the test. Your professor is not giving you "3 days" to make it up.


And then you learn to make friends in class so someone can give you a heads up that there's a test on Thursday

Or check your email because almost every teacher will send out emails telling you that a test is coming

Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:35 pm to
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High schools should teach finance as a requirement to graduate


It does seem a bit reckless to have a ciriculum that requires reading of the Canterbury Tales but doesn't explain taxes, interest rates, saving techniques, or insurance polices


ETA to be honest I never got a great teaching on any of those topics until I had a very good teacher for in a 3000 level Econ class that basically said frick the book, here's some shite you need to know
This post was edited on 1/26/16 at 2:37 pm
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:37 pm to
I think it is less policies that need to change, and the issue is more the teaching.

Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:39 pm to
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High schools should teach finance as a requirement to graduate


Who will teach it? The teachers?
Posted by jac1280
Member since Dec 2007
5380 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:40 pm to
I taught a section of financial math last year, along with 5 sections of pre calc. I told my financial math class that this was the one math class that they could never say stuff like "I'll never use this in real life", because the stuff from that class would be used almost daily.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:40 pm to
Being in a college class is a privilege. Being in a HS class is a "right."
You can fail out of college, not HS.
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:40 pm to
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What are some policies that your high school had, that in hindsight, you wish were different so you were better prepared for college and had more realistic expectations?



My high school had a policy of having plenty of teachers not worth a shite.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:45 pm to
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"I'll never use this in real life


I feel this comment would disappear in all math classes if concepts were better applied.
Posted by jac1280
Member since Dec 2007
5380 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:47 pm to
How would you apply adding rational expressions with unlike denominators to real life?

Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20868 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:50 pm to
Honestly we should repeal truancy laws. All it does is artificially inflate graduation statistics for students who don't want to be there taught by teachers who care even less.

Think of all the money to be saved by reducing all the overhead caused by soon to be truant students.

If a student doesn't want to be there they shouldn't be forced. The taxpayers win .
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20868 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:52 pm to
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You can fail out of college, not HS.


This is a downfall of our system. Why graduate kids that can't perform the tasks they were taught to do?

I say let everyone fail if that's what their grades say. Let them try again, but this hand holding business has gone too far. It should be the accomplishment of the student, not the consent of the teacher that determines who fails/passes.
Posted by jac1280
Member since Dec 2007
5380 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:54 pm to
When my students bitch or whine about being in school, I ask them what would they be doing with their time if their parents let them drop out?

Most say "sleep in"

I'm like WTF?!?!
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22773 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:00 pm to
Well Mr. Math Teacher why do we learn Math?

I do not believe students understand how math is used in modeling the world and solving real world problems. That is why they don't see the value in it. If the particular issue is to practice manipulating equations and solving intermediate calculations maybe a look at the big picture will give a better appreciation for that particular topic.

This post was edited on 1/26/16 at 3:01 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20868 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:02 pm to
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When my students bitch or whine about being in school, I ask them what would they be doing with their time if their parents let them drop out?

Most say "sleep in"

I'm like WTF?!?!


They sound like the perfect experiment for Darwinism. Let the truants stay home. Split up the class into 2 groups, those who come to school, and those who sleep in. Track the results of who goes to college and who gets on welfare. Present the findings to each class thereafter and see how their responses evolve.
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
8177 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:03 pm to
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until I had a very good teacher for in a 3000 level Econ class that basically said frick the book, here's some shite you need to know


R. Stahl??
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20868 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:05 pm to
One way to address the book conundrum would be to let the previous years students sell their books to next semester's students for at value costs. That way they aren't getting extorted by the book store every semester. It's also a great way to carry forward an investment in books if you don't want to keep them.
Posted by jac1280
Member since Dec 2007
5380 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:09 pm to
I just try to get my students to realize and understand that even though they may never use the specific lesson we cover in real life, it's all the different types of thinking used in a math class that will help them down the road, i.e. Analytical thinking, problem solving, critical thinking, etc

Does that make sense?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
66992 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:16 pm to
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"I'll never use this in real life


I feel this comment would disappear in all math classes if concepts were better applied.


This. In high school, and many times in college, math was purely done for the sake of math. It was viewed as an abstract concept unto itself, thus students treated it as something irrelevant.

In engineering, at some point, the math becomes applied, showing why you were learning it in the first place. This makes it much more interesting and relevent because rather than being a purely abstract theory, it's not a skill that can be applied in believable circumstances.

We need more teaching of math from this perspective. I can't tell you how many times I've used what I learned in freshman year high school algebra, but I had no idea if I would ever use it when I was taking it.
This post was edited on 1/26/16 at 3:18 pm
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