re: Playboy model dies after Chiropractor visit

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Acupuncture is another one that has risks associated with it was no benefit.

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actually there are some studies that display that there is some effectiveness to acupuncture

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The American Medical Association considered chiropractic therapy a cult into the 1980s. The one time I considered going to see one, I talked to a doctor first who gave me some muscle relaxers that solved the problem in a couple days.

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Of course they do. That's the chiros rebuttal with going to the doctor. He's just going to prescribe you ______ pill and let it go away on its own. You just better hope you don't get hooked on whatever the doctor is prescribing you.

I've gone to a chiropractor a couple of times. They never tugged, popped, or cracked anything. They used a mixture of electric stimulation and massaging. It was more like physical therapy than anything. They aren't witch doctors, but I also don't view them as "holistic healers".

I'd always go with a doctor's opinion over a chiros any day of the week. Now, throw a pharmacist's opinion in the mix....you've got a whole different story.

your study is simply the AMA protecting profits

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so, is her death a result of the chiropractic manipulation or due to her neglecting an injury that turned out to be serious?

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An injury that was magnified by a quack. Chiros aren't physicians and most are nothing short of drug dealers. They just happen to sell you a drug, endorphins, that your body creates for itself.

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chiropractors don't create blood clots to cause strokes

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They can absolutely create a blood clot. Forceful movement of a joint can injure surrounding tissue resulting in bleeding. They can also forcefully move an area that causes a piece of a stationary clot to break free and now potentially travel to a dangerous location.

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nice job parroting the AMA party line of protecting profits..

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Or my years of experience in healthcare and countless experiences with quack chiros. See my opinion is based around a wide cross sample as opposed to yours which is apparently based around your own two experiences and probably a Google search.

Fall create the initial injury most likely but the forceful movement of her neck is what likely caused the stroke.

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chiropractors don't create blood clots to cause strokes

she must of had them in her legs or loose traveling.

I don't blame the doc, who must feel awful about it

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someone has no idea about medicine. A clot in the leg will not get to the brain barring right to left shunt of some kind. Instead they get thrown to the lung and cause something known as a PE. You can look up all that goodness if you wish.

And actually chiropractors are known to cause intimal tears to some of the arteries supplying the brain. The VBA is the classic artery that is damaged by chiropractic moves.

So, I know you happen to think that medicine is some big racket, and while the insurance companies and the pharma companies are big rackets, the most of the doctors out there are doing the right thing.

Though honestly, that number is decreasing as bad medicine such as acupuncture, chiropractic, and other forms of woo continue to get reimbursed.

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There are definitely good chiropractors out there.

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The only good ones are the ones not doing chiropractic.

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I had a pinched nerve in my back which left me almost unable to walk. Went to a chiropractor and within a couple of visits the problem was fixed.

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Interesting. If you did nothing, the problem would have fixed itself. Self limiting illnesses get better by themselves.

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Had to realign my one of disks in my lower back as it was pressing up against my sciatic nerve.

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The next time a chiropractor does this will be the first time it has ever happened.

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A very good chiropractor is often more knowledgeable about joint/skeletal medicine than a general practitioner doctor.

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Depends. Some chiropractors get out and actually learn medicine, including the rehab things that need to be done to improve function. In this sense they are nothing more than self taught PT.

But many do not. Those still doing manipulations do have a small chance of causing strokes. That is the way these things work. Now did the fall cause the dissection or did the manipulation cause the dissection? Well, we just don't know.

But we do know that in large controlled studies going to a chiropractor is no better than the take two aspirin and call me in the morning situation. Just note that many of the chiropractors will tell you to see them and to take to aspirin as well.

So in short, nsaids vs nsaids and chiropractic really is the same. Well, not exactly the same. There is a slightly increased risk of dissection and stroke if you get your cervical spine manipulated. There is also the lightening of your wallet that happens.