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re: Plant guys- incident trends
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:17 pm to vjp819
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:17 pm to vjp819
Next time anyone has to take a site specific or OSHA renewal at Safety Alliance just take in the rest of the workforce staring at the other monitors in the room. Not a one of them on loan from NASA.
That is your future gentlemen.
That is your future gentlemen.
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:19 pm to drake76
Safety is cool and all but no one knows what they are doing
Millwrights are all retiring and there aren’t any trained ones coming up
Millwrights are all retiring and there aren’t any trained ones coming up
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:59 pm to AUCE05
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No. Plant work is not rocket science.
What if you work at Michoud, or Stennis, or Marshall?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:06 pm to jimbeam
I’m EHS. You idiots are the reason I have a job. I’m a glorified well paid babysitter
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:48 pm to djangochained
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Safety is cool and all but no one knows what they are doing Millwrights are all retiring and there aren’t any trained ones coming up
^ this is the jist of what I'm saying
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:20 pm to drake76
I'd say 70 percent of the "older" crowd on a unit aren't exactly the cream of the crop when it comes to safety or intelligence. I'm not lumping them all together, but remaining in the same spot for 40 years is more of a reflection of either screwing the pooch or being worthless to promote. There definitely are exceptions of guys who are comfortable and just like the work, it isn't as common as most like to make it out to be.
You can be good at your job and still lazy as frick.
Quality replacements of non-quality employees is desired, but not exactly possible.
I don't think we revert to days of plants blowing up once a month, mainly because engineering controls have made catastrophic events into manageable incidents.
Cellphone use and posting on the Facebook is a problem with all generations. The older generation are usually the ones to get caught posting when shite is going wrong, mainly because they don't know how to cover their tracks.
You can be good at your job and still lazy as frick.
Quality replacements of non-quality employees is desired, but not exactly possible.
I don't think we revert to days of plants blowing up once a month, mainly because engineering controls have made catastrophic events into manageable incidents.
Cellphone use and posting on the Facebook is a problem with all generations. The older generation are usually the ones to get caught posting when shite is going wrong, mainly because they don't know how to cover their tracks.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:42 pm to drake76
Just retired from one of the majors after a 40 year stint. Numbers of reported incidents are definitely lower than when I started my career. However, the incidents that do occur have become more serious in my opinion. Some are just due to the age of the plants.
Operators were very hands on when I started. Now most outside operators don't understand their equipment. Cell phones in the control rooms or outside operator shelters are an accident waiting to happen. I also don't like the fact that an operator working a 12 hour shift ends up working 18 hours if somebody calls off. Too often I saw them coming back in with only 6 hours off.
Maintenance is where the inexperience is most detrimental. Pumps get worked, run for 2 weeks and go back to the shop. It's almost laughable. But that's contractor maintenance for you. No sense of ownership in the crafts, and not a whole lot more in operations. Just my experience in one plant. Others could be better.
Oh, and probably the biggest issue is that leadership doesn't know their arse from a hole in the ground. Bunch of yes men. Was glad to get out.
Operators were very hands on when I started. Now most outside operators don't understand their equipment. Cell phones in the control rooms or outside operator shelters are an accident waiting to happen. I also don't like the fact that an operator working a 12 hour shift ends up working 18 hours if somebody calls off. Too often I saw them coming back in with only 6 hours off.
Maintenance is where the inexperience is most detrimental. Pumps get worked, run for 2 weeks and go back to the shop. It's almost laughable. But that's contractor maintenance for you. No sense of ownership in the crafts, and not a whole lot more in operations. Just my experience in one plant. Others could be better.
Oh, and probably the biggest issue is that leadership doesn't know their arse from a hole in the ground. Bunch of yes men. Was glad to get out.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:45 pm to drake76
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high rate of retirement
All them old men with fat wallets and nothing but time aka Jody will be working overtime
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:14 am to drake76
no Doubt ....that and the inabilty to grasp the danger of the enviroment
nose stuck in the damn cell phones
problen reallly is with so many improvements over the years, newer less expierenced operators dont learn
nose stuck in the damn cell phones
problen reallly is with so many improvements over the years, newer less expierenced operators dont learn
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:15 am to Tigerhead
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Just retired from one of the majors after a 40 year stint. Numbers of reported incidents are definitely lower than when I started my career. However, the incidents that do occur have become more serious in my opinion. Some are just due to the age of the plants. Operators were very hands on when I started. Now most outside operators don't understand their equipment. Cell phones in the control rooms or outside operator shelters are an accident waiting to happen. I also don't like the fact that an operator working a 12 hour shift ends up working 18 hours if somebody calls off. Too often I saw them coming back in with only 6 hours off. Maintenance is where the inexperience is most detrimental. Pumps get worked, run for 2 weeks and go back to the shop. It's almost laughable. But that's contractor maintenance for you. No sense of ownership in the crafts, and not a whole lot more in operations. Just my experience in one plant. Others could be better. Oh, and probably the biggest issue is that leadership doesn't know their arse from a hole in the ground. Bunch of yes men. Was glad to get out.
AND WHAT HE SAID!!
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:16 am to Ed Osteen
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if anything better trained and more safety conscious operators are entering the field
not even a clue poor fella
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:45 am to PaperPaintball92
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It takes 3 hours to do a 5 minute job in a plant by the time you perform all the preventative safety procedures
I'm glad I'm in a job where I can tell someone to frick off if it isn't safe. I'm not going to risk my life, so that a company's CEO can get a bigger bonus. I'd rather go home after work, than a hospital.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 2:46 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 5:23 am to drake76
I've been in the plants for 20 years. I was at one plant and a big retirement year came around. I saw the "out with the old and in with the new". Soon after that unit upsets skyrocketed. It was a scary experience. I'm staff on a Maintenance gig right now. The craftsmanship is so terrible we send all pipe fabrication to outside fab shops. Back in the good ole days we fabbed everything onsite.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 5:34 am to elprez00
At one of the jobs I'm working at, they have a sign out in front of the supervisors trailer, and it says like 300+ days of no accidents. I can't remember the exact number, but it was almost a full year without an accident. What is funny is that we had a guy on the job dislocate his shoulder, other minor injuries, but I guess those don't count? 
Posted on 10/19/17 at 5:40 am to drake76
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It is, but if the operators/ craftsmen do not have the knowledge to do the job safely then it doesn't matter.
Absolutely this! Most operators these days don't even know their equipment or process. I'm a Maintenance Manager and I deal with these fricks all day. I've worked with some great operators but most of them are piss poor regarding their equipment and knowledge of their particular process. Very dangerous when you have operators LOTO the wrong equipment. It's happened twice this month already where I work and shite has hit the fan. Thank God no one was seriously hurt.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:19 am to dawgsjw
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At one of the jobs I'm working at, they have a sign out in front of the supervisors trailer, and it says like 300+ days of no accidents. I can't remember the exact number, but it was almost a full year without an accident. What is funny is that we had a guy on the job dislocate his shoulder, other minor injuries, but I guess those don't count?
The key word on that sign is "recordable". A plant might have injuries, but they might not be a recordable so that plant keeps adding days to the sign.
I am a safety manager for an industrial maintenance company dealing mostly with paper mills. If there is a contractor injury onsite, all contractors get reamed by the plant management, but if a company employee does something stupid and gets hurt, there isn't even a faint whisper about it in the contractor safety meetings.
Incidents are going up just because of the reporting requirements to OSHA, what used to swept under the rug years ago can't be anymore. Incident trends tend to be the same between older and younger workers at least in the industries that I deal with. A lot of it has to do with equipment maintenance. The run it until it is broke, and then run it some more that is the mindset of most of the plants my company does work at are usually the root causes of the injuries. People start to get creative in order to try and get a job completed because what was once a 5 hour job is now going to take two days.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:31 am to Golfer
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What if you work at Michoud, or Stennis, or Marshall?
Then you wouldn't be subject to OSHA regulations.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:38 am to Gaston
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Then you wouldn't be subject to OSHA regulations.
OSHA regulations apply to every worker unless you are working in a mine then it would be MSHA.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 6:39 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:50 am to Perrydawg
OSHA does not regulate government sites.
VPP (Voluntary Protection Program) is a system they use to mimic OSHA regulations, but VPP Star sites are few and far between.
For equipment, namely high pressure systems, government sites absolutely don't have to comply with OSHA or the Code of federal regulations. There are hundreds of non-ASME Code vessels between Marshall and Stennis, and every other test or launch site in this country.
VPP (Voluntary Protection Program) is a system they use to mimic OSHA regulations, but VPP Star sites are few and far between.
For equipment, namely high pressure systems, government sites absolutely don't have to comply with OSHA or the Code of federal regulations. There are hundreds of non-ASME Code vessels between Marshall and Stennis, and every other test or launch site in this country.
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