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Older, Unhackable Cars
Posted on 9/29/15 at 2:07 am
Posted on 9/29/15 at 2:07 am
As cars get more and more computerized and hackable, are the older, unhackable, cars going to be more in demand? I'd like to have one around, maybe as a 3rd vehicle, just in case.
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Posted on 9/29/15 at 2:16 am to beejon
The next vehicle I buy will be something older that doesn't have all the gps and shite on it. Being tracked by your phone is bad enough. frick this govt.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 2:16 am to beejon
You'd have to go back 30+ years to find a vehicle that doesn't rely heavily on electronics. And then finding parts to keep it running will be an expensive proposition.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 2:26 am to beejon
You can be our leader when the Cylons attack. Battlestar Beejon!
Posted on 9/29/15 at 2:45 am to Jim Rockford
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You'd have to go back 30+ years to find a vehicle that doesn't rely heavily on electronics.
About 10 years ago my mom wanted a new car so my dad talked to the mechanic they had been using for almost 20 years about the best car to get for her. Then he bought her a 1984 Chevy Caprice because his mechanic said that was the newest car he could get that didn't have a computer controlling the engine and therefore would be less expensive to repair.
She fricking hated that car.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 5:53 am to Jim Rockford
Cuba may be the best bet.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 6:38 am to beejon
If that's your goal will need to look for a vehicle with a distributor that has points in it.
You can retrofit some later year electronically controlled distributor vehicles back with a "pointed" distributor, but I don't know which that is. I'm now mildly interested in researching this issue. I would start with the premise that I'd want the newest possible vehicle that fit the criteria. Sadly, mid '80s domestic vehicle build-quality was bad, that clouds the issue.
The first obvious trade off is that you will lose some fuel efficiencies getting away from an ECM engine. The second negative is safety issues, including lesser or no anti-lock brakes, traction control, airbags, crumple zones, cabin safety technology, etc...
The sad thing is that airbags could have been used for a long time before they were finally mandated. Rudimentary airbags don't need a CamBus computer system to work. GM put a Neanderthal airbag set-up in about 1,000 '73 Impalas that worked*.
* LINK
You can retrofit some later year electronically controlled distributor vehicles back with a "pointed" distributor, but I don't know which that is. I'm now mildly interested in researching this issue. I would start with the premise that I'd want the newest possible vehicle that fit the criteria. Sadly, mid '80s domestic vehicle build-quality was bad, that clouds the issue.
The first obvious trade off is that you will lose some fuel efficiencies getting away from an ECM engine. The second negative is safety issues, including lesser or no anti-lock brakes, traction control, airbags, crumple zones, cabin safety technology, etc...
The sad thing is that airbags could have been used for a long time before they were finally mandated. Rudimentary airbags don't need a CamBus computer system to work. GM put a Neanderthal airbag set-up in about 1,000 '73 Impalas that worked*.
* LINK
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:10 am to beejon
There's a difference between a car with zero computer control and a car that can't be tracked or hacked. Most cars using simple EFI with a control unit aren't cars you can hack. You'd have to plug into their system. Sure they're susceptible to doomsday weapons, but that's different.
If someone really wants to track you, the network of CCTV cameras backed up with computer aided search algorithms will find you all the same.
If someone really wants to track you, the network of CCTV cameras backed up with computer aided search algorithms will find you all the same.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:18 am to beejon
Early 70s Jeep ( horrible AMC build quality) or late 60s Bug (a slug, but easy to repair).
Parts are plentiful and cheap for both.
Parts are plentiful and cheap for both.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:30 am to Jim Rockford
Actually the cost of ownership on an old car is pretty cheap if you know your way around a wrench.
Go buy a nice 55 chevrolet for instance. You can get it for 20-30K. The aftermarket support for a car like this is massive. You can get parts all day long and they are cheap. Even an entire aftermarket A/C system for this car is around 1300 for the whole thing.
If you purchased one with a straight 6 in it your grandkids could drive it. If that isn't enough, they are making all of the body parts for these cars now. So you can get a new fender if you need it.
In addition, the insurance is much cheaper since it's an antique. You'll also be the coolest kid on the block.
Go buy a nice 55 chevrolet for instance. You can get it for 20-30K. The aftermarket support for a car like this is massive. You can get parts all day long and they are cheap. Even an entire aftermarket A/C system for this car is around 1300 for the whole thing.
If you purchased one with a straight 6 in it your grandkids could drive it. If that isn't enough, they are making all of the body parts for these cars now. So you can get a new fender if you need it.
In addition, the insurance is much cheaper since it's an antique. You'll also be the coolest kid on the block.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:34 am to VetteGuy
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Early 70s Jeep ( horrible AMC build quality) or late 60s Bug (a slug, but easy to repair).
I got one that was used in Vietnam. It might top out between 45-50mph, but it has a machine gun mount.
So when the end of the world gets here I will be the guy in the old jeep with machine guns and OT8s riding shotgun.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:41 am to beejon
I have an 04 saab aero 93,on star is analog so they can't get me 
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:49 am to Jim Rockford
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You'd have to go back 30+ years to find a vehicle that doesn't rely heavily on electronics. And then finding parts to keep it running will be an expensive proposition.
We have a 2001 Nissan Altima that doesn't even have power windows or a CD player. Only 88k miles on it and it's running great.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:54 am to beejon
No offense, but I doubt anyone cares about hacking your vehicle. While it's true that it's not the best defended electronics on the planet, you have strength in numbers. The same way gazelle are safe because a lion can only kill so many of them, you're safe from hacking.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:56 am to eitek1
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Actually the cost of ownership on an old car is pretty cheap if you know your way around a wrench.
Go buy a nice 55 chevrolet for instance. You can get it for 20-30K. The aftermarket support for a car like this is massive. You can get parts all day long and they are cheap. Even an entire aftermarket A/C system for this car is around 1300 for the whole thing.
If you purchased one with a straight 6 in it your grandkids could drive it. If that isn't enough, they are making all of the body parts for these cars now. So you can get a new fender if you need it.
In addition, the insurance is much cheaper since it's an antique. You'll also be the coolest kid on the block.
Yea, and when you die in a fender bender because those cars can't handle impact worth a shite, that decision will have really paid off.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:56 am to beejon
Any early 90's GM with throttle body injection is pretty much the pinnacle of reliability and cheap maintain ability without much electronics.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:57 am to thegreatboudini
Cars that don't have OBD ports would have to be really old (80s). Current standards like what GM and Ford use over the OBD-II port never intended for that information to ever be transmitted wirelessly. This is where the spec required to pass the test is still behind the technology being put into these cars.
That being said I do think that the current fear mongering of hacking cars is being way overblown. As most people are completely clueless on how an ECU works, and would require physical access to the port on your vehicle to do anything.
Now giving a WiFi AP the ability to write to the "bus" is a really bad idea, but I would expect that will be remedied very quickly. It is as simple as wiring it a certain way to which you can only read data.
That being said I do think that the current fear mongering of hacking cars is being way overblown. As most people are completely clueless on how an ECU works, and would require physical access to the port on your vehicle to do anything.
Now giving a WiFi AP the ability to write to the "bus" is a really bad idea, but I would expect that will be remedied very quickly. It is as simple as wiring it a certain way to which you can only read data.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:58 am to beejon
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As cars get more and more computerized and hackable, are the older, unhackable, cars going to be more in demand?
You mean cars that are easier to break in to and that can be easily jump started?
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:59 am to VABuckeye
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You mean cars that are easier to break in to and that can be easily jump started?
EMP proof tho
Posted on 9/29/15 at 8:00 am to beejon
in about 30 years or so i'd imagine they'll be illegal as all cars will be driverless and humans driving will be too dangerous
*ETA: illegal to drive on public roads, i mean. i'm sure people will own them as collectibles
*ETA: illegal to drive on public roads, i mean. i'm sure people will own them as collectibles
This post was edited on 9/29/15 at 8:01 am
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