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re: Older Baton Rouge residents. What lead to the decline of NBR?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:47 am to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:47 am to Tigeralum2008
That light rail is going to fix all of this
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Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:47 am to Howyouluhdat
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we all know what the main reason is.
you're thinking way too simple
most of the historically white neighborhoods now scene as blight were caused by industrialization, inner city interstate systems, and forced (bused) desegregation of public schools
you are viewing the unattended consequences and ignoring the precursors
the same scenario played out in basically every city across America in the 50s and 60s
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:49 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Yep. If you talk to really older people from BR, NBR was always seen as the sort of 'other side of the tracks' part of town. No doubt it was certainly nicer and more vibrant when you had a stable working class population living there, but it was never really seen as a desirable part of the city.
It was a desirable area for the working class but yes that is exactly what is was. It wasn't old money Baton Rouge and it wasn't an area that many professionals lived although I know a few when I was a kid ..doctors, engineers etc...but mostly just hard working people. I went to public school here in the 60's and 70's and I can count now probably 50 kids I knew that fathers worked at Exxon alone. Not to mention all the other plants that came along. All of them made a damn good living, had job security and a great pension.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:49 am to Howyouluhdat
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Rich people still live up and down hwy 30 by chemical plants today so that may be part of the reason but we all know what the main reason is.
But that's the thing. Had the property values been consistently high enough, they would not have devolved into lower income sect. 8 eligible options.
Section 8 seems to be the gasoline tossed onto the already burning fire of decline
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:49 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:but they did. For a long time. Till something happened. This is what the OP is asking.
You will get a lot of goof race innuendo posts, but it basically boils down to, people with money did not want to live literally in the shadow of one of the nation's largest refineries.
I think it all went downhill when the drive thru movie theaters shut down
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:50 am to Tigeralum2008
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What lead to the decline of NBR?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:51 am to Salmon
Yes. Just because, do nothing ne'er-do-wells are what make the area the shithole it is today, does not mean that is why people with money started moving out. It's a chicken or the egg argument, but not really.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:52 am to doubleb
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They had a big street program around that time funded by a parish tax and NBR received major street improvements and most of the bigger streets were four laned and the result was a nice grid pattern that you see today. SBR never got the upgrade and phase II of the plan was defeated at the polls. If memory serves in that plan included the widening of Lee Drive and Dalrymple. Two projects which never happened.
This happened because East Baton Rouge Parish had a mayor from Baker named Woody Dumas who took care of that area and after Pat Screen Baton Rouge had two more successive mayors from Baker who one didn't give a shite about South Baton Rouge and two never wanted to spend a dime and thus here we are.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:57 am to Tigeralum2008
over/under on bans is 6.5
taking the over
taking the over
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:57 am to Tigeralum2008
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I worked in NBR for a few years and have never fully understood how an area that was so vibrant in the 1970's evaporated so quickly
John
Motherfricking
Parker
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:58 am to Tigeralum2008
Krispy Kreme threatened to shut down .....
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:58 am to udtiger
Desegregation was probably the death knell, but the area was in decline before then.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:03 am to Y.A. Tittle
IMO... John Parker > White flight > Cheap Housing Vacuum.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:03 am to udtiger
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over/under on bans is 6.5
taking the over
We have had 3 pages of posts so far and I do not think one has been remotely close to ban-able.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:05 am to Y.A. Tittle
Plants, interstate, blacks.
That sums it up.
That sums it up.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:09 am to Martini
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This happened because East Baton Rouge Parish had a mayor from Baker named Woody Dumas who took care of that area
In fairness to Dumas the second phase of his plan was voted down. NBR/Baker cabal outvoted the SBR people and the SBR work was never done.
Now I don't know how hard Dumas worked to get the second phase passed, but it did go to the voters.
If someone had that plan (widening Lee, etc.) and could post it; it would be enlightening. I'm just going by memory and that was almost 50 years ago or so.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:11 am to doubleb
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If someone had that plan (widening Lee, etc.) and could post it; it would be enlightening. I'm just going by memory and that was almost 50 years ago or so.
If memory serves me correct, there was a lot of NIMBY type shite even back then to fight the Lee Dr. widening.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:15 am to doubleb
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In fairness to Dumas the second phase of his plan was voted down. NBR/Baker cabal outvoted the SBR people and the SBR work was never done. Now I don't know how hard Dumas worked to get the second phase passed, but it did go to the voters. If someone had that plan (widening Lee, etc.) and could post it; it would be enlightening. I'm just going by memory and that was almost 50 years ago or so.
It sure would be interesting to see those plans. Would love to know what was passed on. Anyone have more info on what i could google to find more info?
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 11:18 am
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:15 am to Tigeralum2008
I lived off Hollywood and Plank Road on Longfellow in the 60's and 70's. Hollywood Elementary is gone.
It was nice I remember when Tony's seafood was a fruit stand, Kroger was on Plank by Airline Hwy, Burger Chef was in the same shopping center, and visiting listing folks toy store in Delmont Village during Xmas picking out real matchbox cars that came in little boxes. Friday, Sat, and Sunday every spring The bait and tackle store on Airline Hwy near Howard Brothers was packed. McClouds on Airline Hwy & Plank road was where you got appliances. Robert E Lee's was a nice movie theater behind K&B. I still miss Krispy Kreme on Plank and Hollywood & the Go Go club across the street. Man North Baton Rouge was nice back then.
When the first African American family moved in across the street my parents sold out to a meat cutter that worked at Scalins Meat Market on Airline Hwy.
It was nice I remember when Tony's seafood was a fruit stand, Kroger was on Plank by Airline Hwy, Burger Chef was in the same shopping center, and visiting listing folks toy store in Delmont Village during Xmas picking out real matchbox cars that came in little boxes. Friday, Sat, and Sunday every spring The bait and tackle store on Airline Hwy near Howard Brothers was packed. McClouds on Airline Hwy & Plank road was where you got appliances. Robert E Lee's was a nice movie theater behind K&B. I still miss Krispy Kreme on Plank and Hollywood & the Go Go club across the street. Man North Baton Rouge was nice back then.
When the first African American family moved in across the street my parents sold out to a meat cutter that worked at Scalins Meat Market on Airline Hwy.
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:18 am to Tigeralum2008
Short answer is we have a lot of available land that isn't real expensive. Rather than having to reinvest in areas that are aging and starting to decline, we can just go scrape dirt in a new fresh area. Money always flows to new areas of investment and away from stagnant areas.
People with money follow the money. Those without get left behind in an area of decay and shrinking economic base. Of course, crime goes with it, but it a trailing indicator in most cases.
People with money follow the money. Those without get left behind in an area of decay and shrinking economic base. Of course, crime goes with it, but it a trailing indicator in most cases.
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