re: No bar exam thread

Syria has like 18 governments fighting over it and I'm too racist for Solamia.

Although being a pirate is pretty appealing. That's true freedom right there.

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Lawyers are the grease of government and organized society. Deal with it.

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Yes I get that. But they should be treated like grease and rewarded like grease. They aren't a camshaft or a piston, they're simply the part that absorbs heat and lessens friction. They contribute very little and benefit a great deal from other's contributions. By definition, they (and the entire industry) are a virus.

I took it. Code III was ridiculous. Code II had a 30 point trust question that was outside the norm. Beni was 65% negotiable instruments. I thought torts was dumb as hell especially question 1. I think I did 7 negligence analysis. Con law, crim, and fed J were all normal.

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its such a simple and easy process why does your buddy need an attorney?

Oh. Its probably because most processes that involve attorneys can be done without them but they provide their services to people that don't have the skills, knowledge or intelligence to do it themselves.

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Think about that statement. All that's required, in a real sense, to adopt a child is to look after him and teach him to be a moral person. A lawyer (and government) would convince someone that they can't be a father and fulfil those obligations without bureaucrats telling them that it's OK to do such.

Do you not see a problem with this?


Things that should be simple are made complicated because of lawyers. Leaches that can't contribute in a real way to society have found a way to make themselves profitable by creating problems that shouldn't exist except for people like them.

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Things that should be simple are made complicated because of lawyers

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Humans have a funny way of making even the simplest transaction massively complicated, thus the need for lawyers.

frick you Code 3 and Torts (really? Multiple negligence hypos)

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LucasP has opened my eyes. The last 3 years of my life were a waste.

Thx brah

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They were.

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IANAL, but it's always been my understanding that an attorney will navigate the legal system for you, argue your case if needed, negotiate a settlement, etc.

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yes. it's a service industry. i think people, especially a lot of lawyers, act like it's more than this, but at the end, it's just a service industry. we can all manage our money, buy/sell a house, etc on our own but people want to pay a person in that industry to do it for them. i'm assuming lucas wasn't trolling with his comments, but it's likely he was

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The problem is not the attorney, it's the fact that people can and do make incorrect accusations. You don't get to just blow it off because sometimes those accusations are spot on. The court system exists in no small part to distinguish between the two.

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there is a great deal of perverse incentive for lawyers and their legislator friends to make the system complex. that's my biggest issue with the legal system, and that's as much political as professional. political areas like criminal or regulatory have just become way too burdensome and massive

there are also areas that must be somewhat complex where putting the potential liability for mistakes onto a lawyer is reasonable. i'm thinking things like M/A all the way down to property-title stuff. these areas are going to be "naturally" complex and it's best to have a third party handle them in case anything goes wrong

They wouldn't get anything if it wasn't for the lawyer in your hypothetical. He's the one who knows how the courts work and can get things done in there. You are not required to get an attorney. You are completely free and have the right to represent yourself.

That's capitalism. You are better at doing something than other people. You charge for your skills. If someone wants to try to recover their money on their own, so be it. If they want it done with more skill, they pay money. It's how our country works.

By your logic, half of our professions in the country are scum. You can rightfully do your taxes on your own, but you don't want to frick it up so you pay your accountant. It's a pretty easy concept.

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Yes I get that. But they should be treated like grease and rewarded like grease. They aren't a camshaft or a piston, they're simply the part that absorbs heat and lessens friction. They contribute very little and benefit a great deal from other's contributions. By definition, they (and the entire industry) are a virus

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Lawyers are the very thing that keep a society functioning, you twit. If you find a utopian society in which all things that are just are simply performed, then I'll be the first on a boat to get there. But in the real world, lawyers are necessary. If you find a place where law exists, you will find lawyers, and if you find a place where law doesn't exist, you will find chaos.

Are there people who try to take advantage of the system of law? Certainly. How is that the fault of the lawyer? Humans are humans. They desire more than they have. That's their nature. And when they frick up, they don't want to pay for it. That's their nature. But imagine a society without law. Imagine a society in which a guy who was injured by a drunk trucker couldn't get some form of payment for his damages because the trucker simply told him to go frick himself and try and take it by force. Imagine if the trucker hadn't done anything wrong and some frickwit pulled out in front of the trucker and got run over like an idiot, then tried to make the trucker pay for it. Then he beat up the trucker and took his fricking lunch money. But because what is "just" should have happened, which is laughably naïve, you feel that at least one lawyer is impeding the progress of justice. Ha! As if any situation is as simple as "the just should prevail."

You seem to think lawyers are scum not because of what they do, but because you can't see that they protect humanity from itself. There is a reason it is an old and respected profession. And even using the stupid fricking analogy that lawyers are the grease of government and shouldn't be treated like a camshaft or piston, good like getting the engine to work when it's seized up, you ignorant little shite.

You must be neither a mechanic or a high school educated clothes folder at Hollister. At least if you were the latter you would have taken Civics and know more than you claim to.

Enjoy the shelter.