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re: Nigerian software engineer detained by U.S. Customs at airport and given test

Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:13 pm to
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eta oh shite, i just outed myself as being a pathetic nerd in high school didnt i?

We already knew, bruh. You control your house from your phone, dork.
Posted by MrSmith
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:13 pm to
I could see many of the front end engineers on our team not being able to answer this question. And this is at a fortune 20 company. Software engineer is a broad umbrella.
Posted by CAD703X
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:14 pm to
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This is how I know you are not a software engineer.


oh! please elaborate.

Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43061 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:14 pm to
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This is how I know you are not a software engineer.
Explain
Posted by MrSmith
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:14 pm to
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he claimed to be a SOFTWARE engineer.



The type of software engineer genius
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 12:15 pm
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:15 pm to
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Software engineer is a broad umbrella.


ok i'll grant you that. in my day software engineer = computer programmer = you were steeped in basic programming concepts that applied to all languages.
Posted by MrSmith
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:18 pm to
The web has changed what it means to be a software engineer. There are so many different types of engineers now.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:20 pm to
If you have "engineer" in your title I almost always assume your title is the most impressive thing about the actual job.

Scheduling Logistics Engineer = scheduling department

Facilities Engineer = Janitor

Document Control Engineer = Copy Boy
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 12:23 pm
Posted by UAinSOUTHAL
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:22 pm to
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I could see many of the front end engineers on our team not being able to answer this question. And this is at a fortune 20 company. Software engineer is a broad umbrella.


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oh! please elaborate.


This. Software Engineer is a very broad term. The company I work for we have about many different kinds of software engineers dealing with anything from telecom to front-end work. They are not all they same and there are many fields of software engineering that probably would not be able to answer that question on the fly especially after a trans-Atlantic flight.
Posted by CAD703X
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:22 pm to
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The web has changed what it means to be a software engineer. There are so many different types of engineers now.



damn so if i can type html tags in a notepad file and upload it to the web i am an engineer?

eta and if that's his expertise then i hope he didn't get in to the country.
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:23 pm to
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damn so if i can type html tags in a notepad file and upload it to the web i am an engineer?


Include a MS Paint photo and you are a Graphics Engineer
Posted by CAD703X
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Member since Jul 2008
77941 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:26 pm to
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Include a MS Paint photo and you are a Graphics Engineer


ive seen some of the OT's MS paint work and i'm impressed
Posted by MrSmith
Member since Sep 2009
8311 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:28 pm to
Obviously not. I'm talking about web applications are 1% HTML. You know: Python, node, ruby etc. shite I'd say over half of Facebook's engineers are JavaScript engineers.
The creator of Rails, one of the most used back end frameworks on the internet, admits he couldnt wrote a bubble sort on a whiteboard

LINK


quote:

Hello, my name is David. I would fail to write bubble sort on a whiteboard. I look code up on the internet all the time. I don't do riddles
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 12:30 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:28 pm to
I hate saying it, but there should be an actual association of Software Engineers (along the lines of a union) that required a certain level of certification. It would increase the value of the "engineer" title. Instead of allowing anyone to put it on a resume.
Posted by NimbleCat
Member since Jan 2007
8802 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:29 pm to
Why should I care about this? When I travel out of the country, customs asks me questions. Oh, Right....Fake Outrage. Forgot about the talking points.

Carry On.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25436 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:30 pm to
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If you have "engineer" in your title I almost always assume your title is the most impressive thing about the actual job.


As an actual engineer, this bothers me.
You don't here people say , Bob's our cable doctor, or Joe is our document lawyer.

Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:30 pm to
That is BS. You can't become a SE without knowing this. Hell even system administrators should recall this from their college days. It says he is a software engineer not a programmer that just took a certain class to learn code.

If you call yourself a SE at any level in any field and you cannot answer this question you should not call yourself a SE plain and simple.
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 12:34 pm
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
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77941 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:31 pm to


ok ok i grew up taking computer classes in the early 1980s when we were barely out of punch cards.

i think its a damn shame if any so-called software engineer isn't required to understand basic sort algorithms though.

thats like saying its stupid to learn multiplication and division because we have calculators.

how can anyone write decent JavaScript code without a fundamental understanding of how to structure arrays and write efficient sorting algortithms?
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 12:32 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73674 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:32 pm to
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If you call yourself a SE at any level in any field and you cannot answer this question you should not call yourself a SE plain and simple.


But but but, I spent all that money on a college degree....I gotta tell my parents I am an engineer!!
Posted by MrSmith
Member since Sep 2009
8311 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:32 pm to
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there should be an actual association of Software Engineers (along the lines of a union) that required a certain level of certification

Yeah just what the industry needs. Hiring engineers based on their portfolio and talent is hurting the field.
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