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More on the Fayetteville airplane crash.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:45 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:45 am
"Former Walmart CEO Bill Simon was piloting a plane, heading from Bentonville, Arkansas to Waco, Texas, when he ran into engine trouble shortly after takeoff. The Cirrus SR22T began to lose altitude, prompting Simon to make a split-second decision that saved lives, but could have gone much worse, reports CBS News correspondent Kris Van Cleave.
"I'm going to need an all-crash here. We're going to try to find a place over here that's clear," Simon says in Air Traffic Control audio recordings."
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"I'm going to need an all-crash here. We're going to try to find a place over here that's clear," Simon says in Air Traffic Control audio recordings."
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:53 am to beejon
When did planes get emergency chutes?
ETA: Apparently since the 90s on that type of plane.
ETA: Apparently since the 90s on that type of plane.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 8:55 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:04 am to beejon
Pretty cool safety feature. Appears its saved many lives which is always a plus.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:06 am to beejon
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Former Walmart CEO
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Cirrus SR22T
You'd think he could afford a nicer plane. Not that SR-22T's are junk or anything, but still.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:07 am to kilo1234
I'm not sure what year model that was, but the Cirrus is going for about 700k I think.
Main thing they have going for them is speed.
Main thing they have going for them is speed.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:11 am to kilo1234
A new top of the line SR-22T can run upwards of $800,000 and is a great plane to fly. What would you expect him to fly?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:26 am to beejon
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Main thing they have going for them is speed.
And that parachute, which inspires confidence in new pilots. Probably why they have the highest deaths/hour of any plane in the segment.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:31 am to FloridaMike
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A new top of the line SR-22T can run upwards of $800,000 and is a great plane to fly. What would you expect him to fly?
I'm familiar with the aircraft. For a former WalMart CEO, I'd expect a Super KingAir or something similar. Maybe a single engine piston for tooling around locally, but I'd want something more substantial.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:31 am to beejon
That's a sweet little plane...
quote:This usually means fuel starvation.
when he ran into engine trouble shortly after takeoff.
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Pretty cool safety feature. Appears its saved many lives which is always a plus.
quote:Too slow for the money - and requires a lot more piloting skills.
I'd expect a Super KingAir or something similar.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 10:08 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 6:47 pm to tigerpawl
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Pretty cool safety feature. Appears its saved many lives which is always a plus.
It also gets utilized far more often than it should. Instead of working through the problem and using the CAPS system as a last resort, they just jump the gun and deploy it. This results in a lot of damaged airframes that shouldn't have been.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 6:51 pm to beejon
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the Cirrus is going for about 700k I think.
That's new. What I can't figure out is why used ones sell for 125-175K at about 700 hours. I know the chute need repacking at intervals, but thats only about 10k.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 7:14 pm to kilo1234
These planes have the chutes because they cannot recover from a spin if they enter one. A spin can be fairly common for new pilots and small planes.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 7:46 pm to TheDeathValley
I've never heard of a plane that can't recover from a spin. I'm not a pilot though.
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they cannot recover from a spin
Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:25 pm to TheDeathValley
quote:I used to fly years ago - this seems odd. I really don't think the FAA would let that happen.
These planes have the chutes because they cannot recover from a spin if they enter one.
Fixed it: "These planes have the chutes in the event they cannot recover from a spin if they enter one."
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:30 pm to tigerpawl
Do any of you have your commercial pilot's license? I'm wondering how much it costs. Not trying to hijack the thread.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:43 pm to Brian12
Don't all commercial pilots hail from the Navy or Air Force? I thought it has always been too expensive to log enough hours required to get a commercial pilot license.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:56 pm to tigerpawl
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These planes have the chutes because they cannot recover from a spin if they enter one.
I used to fly years ago - this seems odd. I really don't think the FAA would let that happen.
Fixed it: "These planes have the chutes in the event they cannot recover from a spin if they enter one."
They can exit a spin, but I am pretty sure Cirrus pilots are told to deploy the CAPS in case of a spin.
I like these, Mooneys are my favorite small plane though and Beech craft (non v tail).
Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:59 pm to Brian12
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Do any of you have your commercial pilot's license? I'm wondering how much it costs. Not trying to hijack the thread.
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Commercial probably isn't what you think, ATP is the higher level that is required to fly passengers for hire.
The price to obtain an ATP can be less than Med or law school so look at it like that. A lot of Indians were coming over to the flight school in NOLA. It's a hot thing to go fly out there it's a big market for new pilots
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Student Pilot: an individual who is learning to fly under the tutelage of a flight instructor and who is permitted to fly alone under specific, limited circumstances
Sport Pilot: an individual who is authorized to fly only Light-sport Aircraft
Recreational Pilot: an individual who may fly aircraft of up to 180 horsepower (130 kW) and 4 seats in the daytime for pleasure only
Private Pilot: an individual who may fly for pleasure or personal business, generally without accepting compensation
Commercial Pilot: an individual who may, with some restrictions, fly for compensation or hire
Airline Transport Pilot (often called ATP): an individual authorized to act as pilot for a scheduled airline. (First Officers that fly under 14CFR 121 are required to hold an Airline Transport Pilot Certificate as of August 1, 2013.)
Also a few people (like my instructor) are teaching flying for PP while they build hours for ATP.
While I was there a few went to the Air national guard as well.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:02 pm to tigerpawl
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Too slow for the money - and requires a lot more piloting skills.
Exactly, pawwwwl
One of the only single engines I'd consider piloting.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:21 pm to tigerpawl
They weren't put through spin testing during certification so the chute was added to get certified. If the chute is deployed the airframe is totaled. People with more money than sense and skills buy them, get their arse in trouble and then deploy the chute. Insurance companies are now requiring yearly training on them because they're tired of paying for them.
Any jackass can get a commercial pilots license and fly for hire. An ATP is required to act as PIC on aircraft requiring a type rating in 121 and 135 ops.
Any jackass can get a commercial pilots license and fly for hire. An ATP is required to act as PIC on aircraft requiring a type rating in 121 and 135 ops.
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