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re: Mississippi and Hurricane Katrina: the forgotten Landmass
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:06 pm to Gaston
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:06 pm to Gaston
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I watched some footage, of NOLA, last night that I'd never seen, mainly because I was trying to put my life back together at the time, and I literally couldn't believe...I guess that Americans were treated that way. IDK, that story needs to be told over and over in the hopes that it never happens again.
I don't quite understand what you mean by "Americans were treated that way". I certainly think the evacuation was terribly executed and that so much could have been avoided. But at what point is it the government's responsibility to get you out of town and then rebuild your house? I'm all for assistance, but what if everyone decided they were going to stick around until it was too late. At what point can we no longer expect the government to rescue all people and house them in shelters. And then how do you expect people to work those shelters when they have their own families to worry about while having to deal with. That's not even mentioning the atrocities taking place in the shelters by some of the inhabitants.
Katrina was an absolute cluster f*** and things could have possibly been done to get out in front of some of the issues. But ultimately the reason New Orleans gets the stories, is because the drama that was surrounding that demographic of people that tend to have drama surround them (not black or white, but government moochers compared to people who got out on their own and had insurance). The stories aren't about the middle class family that lost everything and fought with insurance (although that's likely who most of the posters here who remember it dealt with). The stories are about the sh**holes of the city that got exposed at a national level in the worst of ways.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:09 pm to sneakytiger
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I prefer to keep it that way. The MS coast is a hidden gem. What's sad is there are stretches between Biloxi and Pass Christian that will never recover, pieces of history completely that cannot be replaced.
This
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:21 pm to REG861
quote:Good question. A huge storm surge was predicted along with everything else. If you elected to stay behind, that is fine, but don't act like there was nothing you could have done and you are just a helpless victim.
Not to mention all the people who drowned in Mississippi..god what idiots, why didnt they evacuate!
The aftermath is a whole different story and I felt for people trying to get rebuilt, re-employed, etc. I volunteered here in Houston handing out food at the Dome and I had an empty rent house at the time. I allowed some people (two families of friends) to stay there rent free for 4 months (that's when they went back) and helped them as much as I could.
I'm not a callous dick that you are trying to make me out to be, but let's call a spade a spade. Quit taking it so personal. I said the same thing about people who stayed in Galveston for Ike, etc.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:25 pm to RichardPikchures
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I don't quite understand what you mean by "Americans were treated that way". I certainly think the evacuation was terribly executed and that so much could have been avoided. But at what point is it the government's responsibility to get you out of town and then rebuild your house? I'm all for assistance, but what if everyone decided they were going to stick around until it was too late. At what point can we no longer expect the government to rescue all people and house them in shelters. And then how do you expect people to work those shelters when they have their own families to worry about while having to deal with. That's not even mentioning the atrocities taking place in the shelters by some of the inhabitants.
Of course things could've been done better but let's not forget one of the reasons we're the greatest country on this planet. Our ability to put aside out personal feelings and help people in dire need is unlike any other place in the world. I hope there is never a time were the majority of Americans have a "frick you" attitude especially during a catastrophic natural disaster. When there's earthquakes, fires, tornadoes, floods, etc, I want to know Americans will always show up ready to help.
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Katrina was an absolute cluster f*** and things could have possibly been done to get out in front of some of the issues. But ultimately the reason New Orleans gets the stories, is because the drama that was surrounding that demographic of people that tend to have drama surround them (not black or white, but government moochers compared to people who got out on their own and had insurance). The stories aren't about the middle class family that lost everything and fought with insurance (although that's likely who most of the posters here who remember it dealt with). The stories are about the sh**holes of the city that got exposed at a national level in the worst of ways.
Except we're not hearing stories of the shite heads shooting at helicopters and looting TVs from Walmart. The stories in the news the past few weeks are genuinely uplifting stories of people that fought back and rebuilt parts of their lives. The images of death will always be there for those of us that went through it so I don't mind seeing constant reminders of the good things people did every time the anniversary rolls around.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:25 pm to tankyank13
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A major u.s city was left inhabitable for months, something not seen before in our time, so its going to garner more attention naturally.
Something cities like Detroit don't have to worry about.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:27 pm to Mullet Flap
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MSGulf Coast look like an atomic bomb hit. There was a casino that washed across the road. I remember going to my HS and there were body bags in the bleachers of our stadium. There were some condos behind our football field where 35 feet up on top of the building people had tried to hack through the ceiling to get on the roof. The storm surge was absolutely incredible
Did you go to Pass High?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:34 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
A lot of these videos I have never seen. I never saw any of the news reports. I know as a LEO I worked 18-20 hours a day doing all kinds of stuff. I was physically and emotionally exhausted for a long time. I had to rebuild a home and still work long shifts everyday. My first day off was around October. I took my wife and kids to Atlanta for a weekend just to feel normal. I am just now getting to the point of where I will even watch these videos. We were so caught up in our own recovery that I never thought about other communities. Now that we are looking at a decade since the storm hit I can finally watch these old new stories and really appreciate what took place from a bigger picture. I know that I still have people come up to me and give me hugs and thanks. A lot of them I don't remember because we rescued so many and we helped so many people. I do remember the North Carolina Baptist Men's Group coming down and helping a ton of people. I met a lot of great people from all over the south that helped us tremendously.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:35 pm to htownjeep
well I appreciate your service after the storm, seriously, since you didn't have to do it. But whether or not every last person in the Gulf Coast area evacuated in a timely fashion, the region was going to be devastated. I think regional devastation is worthy of sympathy, but I'm readying myself for some truly atrocious comments in the next few days, hence me taking it personally.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:37 pm to MightyYat
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Except we're not hearing stories of the shite heads shooting at helicopters and looting TVs from Walmart. The stories in the news the past few weeks are genuinely uplifting stories of people that fought back and rebuilt parts of their lives. The images of death will always be there for those of us that went through it so I don't mind seeing constant reminders of the good things people did every time the anniversary rolls around.
I honestly haven't watched much as I don't live in LA anymore and rarely watch the news. But I'm not trying to take away from the fact that a lot of people did a lot of good things. Merely pointing out that NOLA gets the attention, because of all the very crappy situations that piled on top of each other. If it were just people displaced and rebuilding homes and businesses, it would be the same story as Mississippi. But New Orleans had a larger cross to bear during that storm as far as it's citizens.
And also I think I take offense to the "how we treated other Americans" a little. I know people who took their personal boats to go search for people. There are a lot of good stories like that.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:41 pm to REG861
quote:I agree.
I think regional devastation is worthy of sympathy
I watched some of the ABC thing the other night and when I saw a few people bitching about how "nobody is coming to help me" it irritated me.
I thought another thing was ironic when they talked about how the Federal Govt was slow to do anything and in the same breath they were praising the USCG and how they got an estimated 30,000 people to safety. They do realize that the Coast Guard IS the government right?
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:42 pm to REG861
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well I appreciate your service after the storm, seriously, since you didn't have to do it. But whether or not every last person in the Gulf Coast area evacuated in a timely fashion, the region was going to be devastated. I think regional devastation is worthy of sympathy, but I'm readying myself for some truly atrocious comments in the next few days, hence me taking it personally.
It's personal to a lot of us. A lot of great people did a lot of great deeds that only God knows about and they didn't get no publicity for it. The American Spirit was awesome during this time.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:45 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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A lot of these videos I have never seen. I never saw any of the news reports. I know as a LEO I worked 18-20 hours a day doing all kinds of stuff. I was physically and emotionally exhausted for a long time. I had to rebuild a home and still work long shifts everyday. My first day off was around October. I took my wife and kids to Atlanta for a weekend just to feel normal. I am just now getting to the point of where I will even watch these videos. We were so caught up in our own recovery that I never thought about other communities. Now that we are looking at a decade since the storm hit I can finally watch these old new stories and really appreciate what took place from a bigger picture. I know that I still have people come up to me and give me hugs and thanks. A lot of them I don't remember because we rescued so many and we helped so many people. I do remember the North Carolina Baptist Men's Group coming down and helping a ton of people. I met a lot of great people from all over the south that helped us tremendously
This is how I feel. I was riding on some DOC boats offering medical assistance to anyone I could. We had so many people in need that it was hard to wrap your brain around afterwards. I remember after we pretty much couldn't find anyone else that needed us we got in a prison van with bars on the windows and headed up to the PMAC. That 2 hour drive was as peaceful as anything I've ever done in my life. Once I got out at the PMAC and saw it was a full blown military triage zone reality sunk back in to my soul. The devastation reached so many on so many levels it was pretty hard to grasp. Some nights I still see things in my sleep and I'm guessing I probably will for the rest of my life.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:47 pm to GetCocky11
The Robin Roberts special was like half about Bay St. Louis.
Because it's more populated.
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They were obliterated by the storm, and yet everyone talks about New Orleans and the levees breaking.
Because it's more populated.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:51 pm to htownjeep
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I agree.
I watched some of the ABC thing the other night and when I saw a few people bitching about how "nobody is coming to help me" it irritated me.
I thought another thing was ironic when they talked about how the Federal Govt was slow to do anything and in the same breath they were praising the USCG and how they got an estimated 30,000 people to safety. They do realize that the Coast Guard IS the government right?
Look, I get what you're saying but I'm never going to get full on board with the blame the victim shite when it comes to Katrina. You're talking about a large population that couldn't just load up the Suburban and grab their credit cards and go until they found a hotel. You're talking about people with generations worth of dysfunction. However, that doesn't mean we just leave them to die on the streets of a major city. We are supposed to be better than that as a civilization. They could've ordered a mandatory evac a week before landfall and the majority of these people still wouldn't have had the means to get out.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:07 pm to MightyYat
We can go back and forth a lot on the subject but I don't think we'll get anywhere on it.
But I think we could all agree that the local and state government let New Orleans down most of all and could have made it not nearly as bad as it ended up being.
But I think we could all agree that the local and state government let New Orleans down most of all and could have made it not nearly as bad as it ended up being.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:17 pm to RichardPikchures
Um...some people had no means to leave. Some people didn't want to leave pets. Some tried, but turned back because the traffic was so bad. There were plenty reasons people couldn't leave
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:20 pm to htownjeep
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We can go back and forth a lot on the subject but I don't think we'll get anywhere on it.
True dat homey.
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But I think we could all agree that the local and state government let New Orleans down most of all and could have made it not nearly as bad as it ended up being.
Yep. The evacuation plan called for the use of school buses to get people out but Mayor Dipshit put the plan into place too late and the buses were scratched because the roads were already a cluster frick.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:22 pm to MightyYat
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The evacuation plan called for the use of school buses to get people out but Mayor Dipshit put the plan into place too late and the buses were scratched because the roads were already a cluster frick.
Mandatory evac was called 2 days before. With the uncertainty of landfall projections people with or without the means aren't leaving 4-5 days before.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:26 pm to MightyYat
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Also, for the Mississippi crowd that likes to say this shite. How fricking dumb must you be to build so close to the Gulf where you KNOW you're going to wiped out at some point?
We thought that Camille was the worst that could possibly happen.
We were wrong.
So I guess that's how "fricking dumb" we were.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:29 pm to saintsfan22
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Mandatory evac was called 2 days before. With the uncertainty of landfall projections people with or without the means aren't leaving 4-5 days before.
It was a day short. The plan called for it to be in place 20 hours earlier. He ordered a mandatory evac at 9:30 on August 28th. Katrina made landfall on August 29th at 6:30 in the morning. By 9am the water was rolling into the city from the levee breach. That's not enough time.
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