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re: Mid air collision in SC: Cessna and F-16 **2 on Cessna Killed**

Posted on 7/7/15 at 6:05 pm to
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 6:05 pm to
set us straight O god of the pilots.

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 6:07 pm to
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no real procedure other than to contact the AFB and use the CTAF in pattern.


Exactly, it's a shitshow. The problem is there's a lot of guys like you, no offense, that are new and aren't used to paying attention to every little NOTAM and directive and don't read the charts.

It's good to see you take it seriously though. Please don't take my above comment with offense. God knows there are plenty of professional pilots that act the same way. And Destin is filled with both of them.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 6:11 pm to
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You do realize that in most combat situations fighter craft do not radiate anything?


No I did not realize that. I have never been in a combat aircraft. Just seems odd to fly in civilian airspace with no radar contact.
Maybe the Cessna had no Transponder. I like these threads, because every time there is an air tragedy you can learn from it.

I have 134 hours right now TT. 777 probably logged that amount last week. I'm not an expert, I ask questions and present what I do know.

I get going in with no radar in a combat op, but when flying IFR in civilian airspace?

A hot air balloon has the right of way to a glider, which has the right of way to a helicopter which has the right of way to a small plane which has right of way to a large plane, which has right of way to an airliner, which has right of way to a military jet.

The slower air vehicle has right of way.

Thats in chapter two. So no doubt in my mind the F16 is at fault.

UNLESS, the pilot of the cessna was in restricted airspace.
You have to lookout for traffic, visually and on your systems.
I've only flow in simulators with TCAS (have 575 hours simulator TT) so I don't really know that much about them.

I'm not saying the F16 pilt intentionally did it, it's an accident, but they have to be at fault, unless the Cessna didn't belong. That's my only point.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 6:13 pm to
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The problem is there's a lot of guys like you, no offense,


None taken. I can't afford to fly often.
I like to constantly learn and fly my simulator though.

I learned in a high traffic environment so my radio skills are really good. I even file flight plans for short VFR trips


Destin is nuts. I flew XC to BTR and then to DTS, and that pattern sucks. There was a Mooney that came in straight away for the runway while we were in the pattern. I was kinda pissed, but he wasn't even on the CTAF, some old timer in a Piper was talking a lot of shite about him on the radio, because I had to go through the pattern again and the Piper was behind me.

I mean cutting in front of people on the Interstate is one thing, doing it in a tight airspace is another.

I like small runways and non-towered fields. I think LS40 in St Charles will be my home airport once I get my plane. (and I learn to land in a grass field )
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 6:19 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:43 pm to
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god of the pilots.


finally some accuracy in this thread

no false modesty, just the facts

not kidding

ETA: on the 134 hours, I've got more engine start time in a 727, more in between the marker time below CATI, more getting laid on layovers, etc., smartass

This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 7:50 pm
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:48 pm to
Time to go find the hydrazine bottle

That was my first thought.
Thats some nasty, NASTY stuff. One sniff and you are dead as a doornail.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:50 pm to
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finally some accuracy in this thread no false modesty, just the facts not kidding




Modesty does not become you
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:51 pm to
Hey what's an acceptable tip for you guys on a chartered flight? Assuming they load my bags and everything
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:54 pm to
I was more making a crack at my extremely low hours, than your experience. The earlier post was seriously just wanting more info about the systems we were talking about.

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:56 pm to
$100 is average.

Really depends on how long they'll be stuck in town. Unless you're spending more than about 5 days and they are staying in town with you that is acceptable for a citation pilot. Any longer than that and you should consider more.

ETA: That's assuming you are paying expenses like food and rental car while you are there. When I flew charter we tried to keep food and drinks to $40 bucks a day. Sometimes I would forego a car and get a better hotel.


This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 8:01 pm
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:59 pm to
We are fine then
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:03 pm to
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I was more making a crack at my extremely low hours, than your experience. The earlier post was seriously just wanting more info about the systems we were talking about.


it was all tongue in cheek, all aviators should strive to always keep learning, that's what every certificate is about, a license to keep learning, keep it up

except the data was real, probably more so
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:05 pm to
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Modesty does not become you

only here, I've always let my flying do my talking, and many times have had the last word
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:06 pm to
Sooooo many guys get to the point where they don't even try to keep learning. I went to King Air school with guys who had tens of thousands of hours in big metal and then got thrown into the king air sim and just were completely lost on basic aviating skills.
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:11 pm to
Yeah we cover expenses and most trips are about a week with 2 or 3 cities
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:15 pm to
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Sooooo many guys get to the point where they don't even try to keep learning. I went to King Air school with guys who had tens of thousands of hours in big metal and then got thrown into the king air sim and just were completely lost on basic aviating skills.

I always tried to do as much hand flying as I could up until the 767, after that I realized that the new plane would rather fly as designed, it didn't want interference from me. Always manually landed the 777 unless the company was begging for an auto land to delay an inspection, only guys I ever saw that had problems in the sim were Marines. JK. Maybe the guys you saw were fb's, veg's from non-sked's with a lot of bunk time and not so much stick time? Hard to say.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:18 pm to
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Yeah we cover expenses and most trips are about a week with 2 or 3 cities



Honestly, enough to splurge on a dinner or two or to buy something nice for his wife if he has one. If you happen to be heading to Colorado enough for a day or two of lift tickets
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:24 pm to
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I always tried to do as much hand flying as I could up until the 767, after that I realized that the new plane would rather fly as designed, it didn't want interference from me. Always manually landed the 777 unless the company was begging for an auto land to delay an inspection, only guys I ever saw that had problems in the sim were Marines. JK. Maybe the guys you saw were fb's, veg's from non-sked's with a lot of bunk time and not so much stick time? Hard to say.




The best Sim partner I ever had was an Air Force Lt. Col. I think he was a KC-10 guy. I was 1500 hour pilot going for my first type but u had probably 1K hours on King Airs by that time. We worked well together. He was obviously the more experience aviator but I knew the King Air like the back of my hand.
Posted by jefffan
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:31 pm to
I have nothing to add to this topic other than the fact that I'm from Sumter.

My mom's house is under the flight path for the jets on approach (about 5 miles away). I can't tell you how many times I've been able to see the ordiances from under the place as they turn in low and fast. Always shook the house.

On clear nights you can also see/hear random C-130's on takeoffs and approaches. Cool sight to see.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:43 pm to
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The best Sim partner I ever had was an Air Force Lt. Col. I

one of the best sim partners I've ever had was an old bird colonel that had been the CO of the support squadron for all of the "AF" fleet, dude knew his shite, I was a young guy too, I made Captain at 30, he had retired active duty of course, and he was one sharp dude, even though he had gone to flight training when I was in middle school he knew that there was only one Captain(trait of a good Captain is to draw on that experience if necessary,) he knew that there is only one Captain
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