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re: Low Fat Diet Is Allegedly Wrong According to Report
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:42 pm to slackster
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:42 pm to slackster
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don't disagree, but unfortunately many people will read this and see "high-fat diet the way to go",
I have a friend on the High Fat Low Carb diet(HFLC) and he eats red meat, eggs, heavy cream, real butter like 3x's a day at least. If he doesn't get enough fat he eats like a spoonful of coconut oil. He's lost weight and says he's never hungry but his triglycerides, cholesterol, and stuff must be off the charts. No way that's healthy.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:42 pm to AU_251
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and semen.
The elixir of life
How much do you drink per week?
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:43 pm to SirSaintly
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I bet it's not that harmful to have a steak or hamburger meat once or twice a week.
it certainly is not harmful. stick to grass-fed when possible.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:44 pm to SirSaintly
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No way that's healthy
explain your hunch (I mean assuming he's doing it right with good veggies, meats, dairy and fats)
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:44 pm to AbitaFan08
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People see "fat-free" on a label of Nabisco cookies and think "oh yay, healthy!", when of course they are not.
When I see fat-free and sugar-free on some sort of treat or dessert I think either A) this shite must taste horrible or B) if it isn't horrible then it will probably kill me. Like basically everything in life, if it is too good to be true, run away.
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:46 pm to ksayetiger
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and semen.
The elixir of life
How much do you drink per week?
Depends on how many of my bros are in town, but no less than 2 tablespoons every day with breakfast
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:46 pm to CockHolliday
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Eating more calories than you expend makes you fat, period.
we go through this every time in these threads. this is about as effective in controlling health, weight, diet, lifestyle, etc as saying, "Being alive makes you not dead."
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:48 pm to SirSaintly
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eating low-fat, like 99/1 or 93/7 ground turkey, and grilled chicken b/c I was afraid of saturated fats found in red meat
A serving of ground turkey has more overall fat and almost the same saturated fat as a serving of ground beef.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:52 pm to SirSaintly
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I have a friend on the High Fat Low Carb diet(HFLC) and he eats red meat, eggs, heavy cream, real butter like 3x's a day at least. If he doesn't get enough fat he eats like a spoonful of coconut oil. He's lost weight and says he's never hungry but his triglycerides, cholesterol, and stuff must be off the charts. No way that's healthy.
I could be the friend you refer to. In my case, every single category in my lipid panel improved..especially triglycerides. I was skeptical but am now a believer.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:05 pm to Shepherd
DP
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:05 pm to Shepherd
I thought it was common knowledge that low carb diets are basically unsustainable. I could be way off though.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:08 pm to SirSaintly
LINK
Read my comments/links in this thread
HempHead is correct in advising to eat real foods
Here is the deal (speaking in a general fashion)
1. You need to first figure out how well you handle carbs (can be done with self assessment using a glucometer to sort out the broad strokes through trial and error)
The more muscular you are, the more insulin sensitive you are = the better you will handle carbs (in higher quantities)
The more obese you are, the more insulin resistant you are = carbs are not your friend as they will be partitioned into body fat
2. Determine your protein needs (often lower than most people forecast)
More muscular = high protein requirments
Obese / sedenatary = less protein requirement
Protein does has the added value of inducing satiety
3. The remainder of the diet requirement is composed of healthy fat sources (grass fed butter, ghee, olive oil, coconut oil, nuts, etc...)
It also has the added value of inducing satiety
4. Foods that are nutrient dense are required. Unfortunately, the foods that pack the highest nutrient density (egg yolk, grass fed beef, coconut oil) have been vilified in the past due to unfounded, faulty logic that they are bad for health and cholesterol levels in the body. These foods were replaced by low fat options (which mean high sugar, processed, nutrient poor food).
If using the construct above, here are examples of diets
A. muscular, active, non diabetic person - 50% fat, liberal carb intake (preferably after training) and moderate protein (depends on what you are optimizing far) with nutrient dense food approach
B. sedentary, obese, diabetic person - 50-60% + fat, moderate protein, carb restricted diet** with nutrient dense food approach
The carbs they injest should be sourced from fruit high in fiber and vegetables. They should avoid simple sugars and starches until they start looking, feeling, and objectively have metabolic parameters (labs) that a person suited for diet A would have
Read my comments/links in this thread
HempHead is correct in advising to eat real foods
Here is the deal (speaking in a general fashion)
1. You need to first figure out how well you handle carbs (can be done with self assessment using a glucometer to sort out the broad strokes through trial and error)
The more muscular you are, the more insulin sensitive you are = the better you will handle carbs (in higher quantities)
The more obese you are, the more insulin resistant you are = carbs are not your friend as they will be partitioned into body fat
2. Determine your protein needs (often lower than most people forecast)
More muscular = high protein requirments
Obese / sedenatary = less protein requirement
Protein does has the added value of inducing satiety
3. The remainder of the diet requirement is composed of healthy fat sources (grass fed butter, ghee, olive oil, coconut oil, nuts, etc...)
It also has the added value of inducing satiety
4. Foods that are nutrient dense are required. Unfortunately, the foods that pack the highest nutrient density (egg yolk, grass fed beef, coconut oil) have been vilified in the past due to unfounded, faulty logic that they are bad for health and cholesterol levels in the body. These foods were replaced by low fat options (which mean high sugar, processed, nutrient poor food).
If using the construct above, here are examples of diets
A. muscular, active, non diabetic person - 50% fat, liberal carb intake (preferably after training) and moderate protein (depends on what you are optimizing far) with nutrient dense food approach
B. sedentary, obese, diabetic person - 50-60% + fat, moderate protein, carb restricted diet** with nutrient dense food approach
The carbs they injest should be sourced from fruit high in fiber and vegetables. They should avoid simple sugars and starches until they start looking, feeling, and objectively have metabolic parameters (labs) that a person suited for diet A would have
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:11 pm to Hopeful Doc
Don't cut fat, just eat better fat like avocados or salmon. It's just like carbs. Sugar is bad, but that doesn't mean fiber is.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:12 pm to ThinePreparedAni
You can eat whatever you want. Just keep your caloric intake at the amount needed for your body type (usually around 2,000), and you'll stay skinny. Orion Portion control is the most important thing.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:13 pm to slackster
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I thought it was common knowledge that low carb diets are basically unsustainable
Why would it be unsustainable? Your body does not require carbs for survival. To me it one of the easiest and most sustainable types of diets there is.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:15 pm to mouton
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Why would it be unsustainable? Your body does not require carbs for survival. To me it one of the easiest and most sustainable types of diets there is.
I think he means it's unsustainable in terms that it is hard to stick to a no-carb diet long term. At least that's how I read it.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:19 pm to CCTider
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You can eat whatever you want. Just keep your caloric intake at the amount needed for your body type (usually around 2,000), and you'll stay skinny. Orion Portion control is the most important thing.
This is reductionist thinking. This approaches fails most people and adds stress to people who in most cases cannot handle it
Using your logic I can eat a shite ton of low calorie nutrient poor food as long as do not exceed my calories quota. That is a short term win, but long term loss for the system. Much of the "chronic illnesses" we face are likely from manifestation of long term poor micronutrient intake (in part due to the logic above).
If you follow the eating construct I have laid out, the thermodynamics take care of itself (the accounting for calories)
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:19 pm to SirSaintly
In our bodies:
Body fat = sugars = carbs.
In food
Carbs = sugar/flour/starch = abundance in low fat diets since fat is replaced by sugars.
To burn body fat, lower carbohydrate intake. Lower carb diets with healthy fats such as nuts, avacados, etc = weight loss. I've lost over 100 lbs by ditching bread, breaded fried foods, sugary shite, etc. and limiting red meat to help lower cholesterol. Chicken, fish, and a light amount of beef/pork along with natural sugars from whole fruit and veggies are my staples now.
Take it for what it's worth, but 4 1/2 years ago I weighed 340 lbs and was prediabetic. Now I'm 225 lbs, far away from diabetic, can run 5 miles. Deal with it, low carb deniers.
Body fat = sugars = carbs.
In food
Carbs = sugar/flour/starch = abundance in low fat diets since fat is replaced by sugars.
To burn body fat, lower carbohydrate intake. Lower carb diets with healthy fats such as nuts, avacados, etc = weight loss. I've lost over 100 lbs by ditching bread, breaded fried foods, sugary shite, etc. and limiting red meat to help lower cholesterol. Chicken, fish, and a light amount of beef/pork along with natural sugars from whole fruit and veggies are my staples now.
Take it for what it's worth, but 4 1/2 years ago I weighed 340 lbs and was prediabetic. Now I'm 225 lbs, far away from diabetic, can run 5 miles. Deal with it, low carb deniers.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:21 pm to TigerPox
people don't pay enough attention to sodium
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:21 pm to Horsemeat
I mean congrats, but any combo of eat less, move more will burn fat, not just low carb
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