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re: Legal Advice - Rental Home - Tenant Changed Floors now wants Money

Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:08 pm to
Posted by BioBobcat
Boston
Member since Feb 2013
614 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:08 pm to
quote:

Do the right thing. You will even feel good about it afterwards.


I disagree. Doing the morally wrong thing will make you feel much better.

$8,500 in your pocket. >>>>>>>>>> The joy in paying back a woman who has horrible spending habits and makes terrible decisions.

Also, has anyone asked for pics?
Posted by BallCoachinFool
Member since Dec 2012
2133 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:16 pm to
quote:

Also, has anyone asked for pics?


5 pages

HAS to be a record

And no pics, you don't want them. Just trust me
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:17 pm to
Real cases. Real people. Judge Judy.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:18 pm to
quote:

...be a decent person...
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:20 pm to
I am sure this has been said but if you wanted to screw her you could. What you should do is find a number you are both comfortable with and give her that amount. She improved the value of your home and wanted to be a good long term renter so do the right thing.

ETA: I just read and this would be the right thing to do:

quote:

I agree the move was not very Christian like but she was the one who pulled the trigger before an agreement was made. Floors were about $8,500. House was empty for 4 months after she moved out. We verbally agreed she would stay until we closed on the home. I had to pay the 4 months on an empty house. Not to mention $200 worth of utilities per month. What if I take the monthly rent times 4 and deduct from floors and pay her that? I know this is all because of me not being "clear enough." By deducting the 4 months would make "my cost" of the floors $2,500. She had just gotten a divorce when she rented the house. Was very excited and bragged about the huge settlement her "dumbass husband" was having to pay. This was one reason she was so quick to "front" the cost of the floors before an official agreement was made. This post was edited on 7/27 at 8:21 pm
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 10:23 pm
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
11266 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:24 pm to
I just don't get how she wanted to spend nearly 5 figures on the house but wanted the flexibility of month to month - either the story is bogus or she's not all there
Posted by BallCoachinFool
Member since Dec 2012
2133 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:44 pm to
quote:

she's not all there


Also counted her chickens before they hatched when she wanted to use divorce settlement money to pay for things. She had them put the flooring in, then when she didn't receive her money quick enough she had to negotiate more time to pay for the floors.

One time I did ask her "are the floors able to be financed?" To which she responded "Don't worry about they money. I will take care of the floors."
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9771 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:55 pm to
"I am not asking for morale advice. I know where I stand there. I was simply asking for what you guys thought would happen financially."

Translation:

I know I am morally wrong. But I want to know if you guys think I can get away with screwing her over.

Answer: You may be able to stick it to your tenant. But it WILL come back to bite you in the future, somewhere, somehow.
Posted by BallCoachinFool
Member since Dec 2012
2133 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 11:17 pm to
quote:

"I am not asking for morale advice. I know where I stand there. I was simply asking for what you guys thought would happen financially."

Translation:

I know I am morally wrong. But I want to know if you guys think I can get away with screwing her over.

Answer: You may be able to stick it to your tenant. But it WILL come back to bite you in the future, somewhere, somehow.


Thanks Rosetta Stone
or
Webster

Whoever you are, I appreciate it
Posted by SG_Geaux
1 Post
Member since Aug 2004
77927 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 11:18 pm to
Did the OP ever answer how much the new floors actually added to his appraisal?
Posted by BallCoachinFool
Member since Dec 2012
2133 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 11:34 pm to
quote:

Did the OP ever answer how much the new floors actually added to his appraisal?


Hard to tell with housing inflation at the moment.

Lets just say in the 5 years of owning the home the price increased almost 25% but there was no appraisal done before the floors were installed.

Not sure on exact dollar amount increase on appraisal.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65614 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:31 am to

She sounds like a University Park Mark to me. Send her a bill for the closing costs, too.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
8491 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:43 am to
If you did not have nothing on paper and she did it own her own then I would say no. If she took it on herself to change them without your permission then I would say she is shite out of luck. Did you promise any reimbursement of the flooring? Did she put the floor in under any agreement that you would reimburse her written or verbal? You said you were reluctant to let her do it, did you know that she was for sure going to do it and what the cost was? I mean I think it is stupid on the tenants part to change flooring, paint, or do any home improvements to a rental house. It all comes down to what either of you can prove. If she acted alone and has nothing in writing and no credible witnesses of a verbal agreement I say she out of luck. If she has anything written or can prove you gave her the okay to change the floors with an understanding she would be reimbursed then I say she would have a case.
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
9919 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:27 am to
quote:

She told me she wanted to be compensated for the floors and I told her "well, when I sell the house, I will


Here is the answer.
Posted by LSU999
Member since Nov 2012
9115 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:33 am to
Did you happen to Bone this lady?

She is a complete idiot for changing the floors. A woman fresh out of divorce and she wants to put new floors in a rental? Unless the rent was really cheap, because the floors were rotting, just doesn't make sense unless you were making that Monkey tap out.

Posted by LSUJuicer
Member since Jan 2013
3348 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:37 am to
Ask her for the bills and see what it cost. The right thing to do is pay her back. Suck if she decided to rip the floors up she paid for at this point for you. I am sure she could always prove she paid for them if she wanted to pull an equally douchey move.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84052 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:50 am to
quote:

The right thing to do is pay her back. Suck if she decided to rip the floors up she paid for at this point for you. I am sure she could always prove she paid for them if she wanted to pull an equally douchey move


What would proving she paid for them do for her? There's no agreement she would be reimbursed. She doesn't even hAve any sort of signed agreement with OP regarding anything. Standard leases all state upgrades are owned by the owner, which I think would get factored in to any decision. She doesn't have any legal leg to stand on in my opinion.

This story is weird as frick though and sounds made up.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 6:51 am
Posted by Mizzoufan26
Vacaville CA
Member since Sep 2012
17206 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:55 am to
quote:

I agree the move was not very Christian like but she was the one who pulled the trigger before an agreement was made.

Floors were about $8,500.
House was empty for 4 months after she moved out. We verbally agreed she would stay until we closed on the home. I had to pay the 4 months on an empty house. Not to mention $200 worth of utilities per month.

What if I take the monthly rent times 4 and deduct from floors and pay her that?
I know this is all because of me not being "clear enough."
By deducting the 4 months would make "my cost" of the floors $2,500.

She had just gotten a divorce when she rented the house. Was very excited and bragged about the huge settlement her "dumbass husband" was having to pay. This was one reason she was so quick to "front" the cost of the floors before an official agreement was made.


If you didn't want a situation like this you should have clearly and concisely asked her not to make any substantial upgrades as you would be unwilling to reimburse her for those expenses. You made clear your wishy washy to open outlook to her paying for the upgrades in your posts.

The lack of accountability of you as a grown man speaks volumes honestly
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:03 am to
I just think it's funny how she's saying her ex-husband is a dumbass when he's probably thrilled to be rid of someone as dumb as she is.

No you don't owe her anything and no you should never have allowed her to do any sort of installation.

And how the hell do you not have a lease? The lack of formal documentation here is very strange. Were you boning her in exchange for allowing her to stay?
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 7:05 am
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
43458 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:06 am to
would she be willing to give you money had she put in some shitty flooring/or work that brought your value down without getting the ok from you?
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