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re: nevermind
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:55 pm to weagle99
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:55 pm to weagle99
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At the risk of pissing people off, I am going to share an observation I had today when watching the shooter's POV video.
When the gun was in frame it looked just like any number of video games available today, including some I played when younger (Doom).
I don't say that to pick on anyone, nor bash gamers. However I do think our society is awash in violence from almost every corner. I hope that those of us here are well balanced, however there are segments of society whose outlooks are influenced by the constant exhibition of cheap death.
Just my opinion.
I live in South Korea. Students are addicted to video games at a level far beyond the US. In my 3 years here I've heard of one fatal shooting. Have you ever seen a Korean movie? Many are hyperviolent. Yet little to no violent crime.
Responding to many of the comments about things being better than they've ever been or that many places are much more violent: that's certainly true but I don't think it's the direction we should be looking. We need to ask what does a healthy, functioning advanced civilization look like? I don't think it's America. Yes, there are places and there have been times that are more violent. But there are also places that are MUCH less violent.
As I said I've been living in SK. There are many things wrong with this society, but the lack of violence and violent crime has forever changed my perspective of how things should and can be. I think, and this thread kind of points to the fact, that Americans take the violence in our society as a given.
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:59 pm to Birdie225
The world is a much safer place today than at any time in its history. with the instant dissemination of information today you and I hear of events the moment they occur. Most people are stuck village mentality and this overload of information from so many different makes them think that the world is scarier and much more unsafe. But it's untrue. 70 years ago we were sending humans into large ovens.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 11:00 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's already been established. Time to move on.
He used the supreme Court for defense of part of his opinion while ignoring it for another...
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The real problem is that every time something like this happens, there's a push for more gun control, and some are ignorant enough to believe that is the solution.
Hence the reasonable discussion instead of 2 extremes. It's a really "simple" concept that no longer exists in Washington. Both sides think the other is evil and won't compromise on anything.
And just to be clear, I'm not anti guns at all. I own a few and will probably get my wife one soon
This post was edited on 8/26/15 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 8/26/15 at 11:09 pm to blueboy
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Exactly, and I think that would lead to the constant lowering of the standards bar as to what is considered "unfit."
You cross that slippery slope when you reach it though. I think ban on assault weapons and magazine sizes are completely silly. That's an overreaction to the rare mass shootings.
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They want a gun ban, plain and simple, and I refuse to be ruled over by the police/military and the criminal underworld, the only two gun-toting entities that would be left.
But we accept this as a society on plenty of other issues. I can't go get vyvanse from the corner without a prescription. And, while this may not be true about you, many don't apply the same logic to other areas of government control.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 11:11 pm to TigerBait1127
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He used the supreme Court for defense of part of his opinion while ignoring it for another...
I must have read over that.
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Hence the reasonable discussion instead of 2 extremes. It's a really "simple" concept that no longer exists in Washington. Both sides think the other is evil and won't compromise on anything.
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And just to be clear, I'm not anti guns at all. I own a few and will probably get my wife one soon
That's good to hear, and I'm not a "gun nut" that thinks everyone should be able to buy an Apache on Ebay. As I said in an earlier post, I don't think a subjective opinion from someone who took the easiest route to a PhD is justification for removing someone's rights.
It's easy to say after the fact that someone has mental issues and should not have been allowed to own a gun. I don't think a single mass murder has been committed by someone that was diagnosed or convicted of a felony, and subsequently purchased a firearm legally. If I'm off on that, it isn't by much. There is no feasible method that I would accept to prevent a mentally unstable individual who has not been previously diagnosed from obtaining a firearm. I believe you were the one earlier that said we need to focus more on enforcing current laws and regulations. I agree with that completely. Unfortunately, every time one of these incidents happen, it's an opportunity for someone to push their political agenda instead of looking at the root causes of the problem.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 11:18 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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don't think a single mass murder has been committed by someone that was diagnosed or convicted of a felony, and subsequently purchased a firearm legally. If I'm off on that, it isn't by much.
I thought the Lafayette shooter fit that mold
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There is no feasible method that I would accept to prevent a mentally unstable individual who has not been previously diagnosed from obtaining a firearm.
Well I agree with that, and that isn't my opinion.
I'm talking about instant background checks where there is a way for the doctors or shrinks to freely submit that information for those checks.
And it's already illegal to sell to the mentally ill, but the problem with most gun laws is enforcement. Lobbyists have helped neuter all gun enforcement agencies. ATF is pathetically understaffed for a federal agency. I believe the Houston sheriff's department is larger
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Unfortunately, every time one of these incidents happen, it's an opportunity for someone to push their political agenda instead of looking at the root causes of the problem.
And I hate that about the media. It's one of the reasons a thread like this exists and people act like the 80's/90's were a safer time.
This post was edited on 8/26/15 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 8/26/15 at 11:34 pm to TigerBait1127
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I thought the Lafayette shooter fit that mold
This may sound cold and that isn't my intention, but the guy killed two people. His ability to obtain a gun wasn't the problem. This goes back to the point I made about hindsight. It's very easy to look back and say that man shouldn't have owned a firearm. Prior to the shooting, I believe he was arrested for several violent crimes, including arson. He could have done a lot more damage with things easily obtained from any home improvement store. I'm really not trying to trivialize this, but blaming guns is the easy thing to do here.
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Well I agree with that, and that isn't my opinion.
I'm talking about instant background checks where there is a way for the doctors or shrinks to freely submit that information for those checks.
This is what I don't think I can agree with. What governs these submissions and where is the line drawn? Does seeking counseling in any capacity restrict your rights? Is there any type of recourse for an individual who feels they are being unjustly restricted?
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And it's already illegal to sell to the mentally ill, but the problem with most gun laws is enforcement. Lobbyists have helped neuter all gun enforcement agencies. ATF is pathetically understaffed for a federal agency. I believe the Houston sheriff's department is larger
I agree with this, but I don't think manning is the only problem. The ATF is focused on enforcing the wrong laws. The amount of manpower devoted to suppressors, SBRs, etc. is just ridiculous.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 11:40 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:No one can break into my house and kill my family with a vyvanse, nor can they enforce their will on the populace. The two are not at all comparable.
But we accept this as a society on plenty of other issues. I can't go get vyvanse from the corner without a prescription.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 11:56 pm to blueboy
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No one can break into my house and kill my family with a vyvanse, nor can they enforce their will on the populace.
That's exactly the point.
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The two are not at all comparable.
We're talking about government regulation and "protection". Basic principles still apply. The rules for those types of drugs are governed based on the ones who abuse it while inconviencing and restricting law abiding citizens.
There are virtually no dangers, as you said, for you and your family, yet so much regulation.
This post was edited on 8/26/15 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 8/27/15 at 12:21 am to TigerBait1127
In 2013, there were 22,767 deaths due to prescription drug overdoses and 11,208 deaths due to gun homicide.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 12:32 am to keakdasneak
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I live in South Korea. Students are addicted to video games at a level far beyond the US. In my 3 years here I've heard of one fatal shooting. Have you ever seen a Korean movie? Many are hyperviolent. Yet little to no violent crime.
Responding to many of the comments about things being better than they've ever been or that many places are much more violent: that's certainly true but I don't think it's the direction we should be looking. We need to ask what does a healthy, functioning advanced civilization look like? I don't think it's America. Yes, there are places and there have been times that are more violent. But there are also places that are MUCH less violent.
As I said I've been living in SK. There are many things wrong with this society, but the lack of violence and violent crime has forever changed my perspective of how things should and can be. I think, and this thread kind of points to the fact, that Americans take the violence in our society as a given.
Good post. America has a very violent past which I believe is woven into the cultural DNA.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 12:37 am to The Baker
It's becoming too close to home for comfort..
I mean I am in the happiest city in America and a 2nd officer killed just this week today..
What the hell is going on.. We keep seeing this stuff every day.. I am starting to worry. Just absolute crazy evil out there being acted out.
I mean I am in the happiest city in America and a 2nd officer killed just this week today..
What the hell is going on.. We keep seeing this stuff every day.. I am starting to worry. Just absolute crazy evil out there being acted out.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 12:40 am to MikeBRLA
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The 24 hour news cycle and social media has distorted your perception of reality/facts.
I recognize this, yet still feel it's becoming too close to home and far too often. Regardless of "statistics"
People saying it wasn't random.. but they were still innocent people! He also shot another woman there that had nothing to do with his work. Fortunately she is surviving.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 7:30 am to The Baker
I personally knew 5 people that were murdered,3 separate incidents in 1978,all from the same small area. Things aren't getting worse.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 7:46 am to weagle99
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Gun shows are the new boogeyman. Even though they largely suck.
I bought a pistol at a gun show once and they did the same check there as they do at any gun store. Not sure why people hate on gun shows when they are following the same policies as every other gun dealer.
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