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IRS steals man's life savings without charges
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:08 pm
How do these agents live with themselves everyday?
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Like many small retail operations, McLellan conducts much of his business in cash. But the Internal Revenue Service didn't like the way he deposited it in his bank account. On the advice of a bank teller, McLellan made most of his cash deposits in chunks of $10,000 dollars or less. There's less paperwork involved with sub-$10,000 deposits, and some companies have insurance policies that only cover up to $10,000 in cash losses.
It is, quite obviously, 100 percent legal to make make deposits of less than $10,000. But it is illegal to do so with the express purpose of avoiding the closer IRS scrutiny that comes with larger deposits -- a practice known as "structuring." McLellan had no reason to want to hide his cash, or to avoid scrutiny. His business was completely legitimate, and he paid his taxes in full. He was just trying to avoid some hassle for the bank tellers and everyone else involved.
Had IRS officials spoken with McLellan before raiding his account, they probably would have realized right away that he had nothing to hide. But the IRS didn't speak with him, and instead went directly to a federal judge to obtain a seizure warrant.
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Lyndon McLellan has owned and operated L&M Convenience Mart in rural Fairmont, N.C., for more than 10 years, according to the Institute for Justice. The institute is a national civil liberties law firm that advocates for asset forfeiture reform, and it represented McLellan pro bono in court. One day last July, a group of state and federal officers showed up at his store to inform him that they had emptied his entire bank account -- all $107,702.66 of it.
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Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:10 pm to NYNolaguy1
I'm so glad these a-holes are in charge of healthcare too.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:10 pm to NYNolaguy1
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But in at least one case this week -- the case involving the $107,000 mentioned above -- the federal government relented and agreed to return all of the money it seized from a small business owner last summer.
Just in case people are curious.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:10 pm to NYNolaguy1
That's just screwed up right there..............
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:10 pm to NYNolaguy1
There's an update to this. They are giving him all of his original money back but they are not wanting to pay his legal fees and the interest they earned on the money while they had it. He is still pursuing to get that money as well.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:11 pm to NYNolaguy1
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On the advice of a bank teller, McLellan made most of his cash deposits in chunks of $10,000 dollars or less.
seems like the bank should get in trouble as well, having worked at banks I know that person has had to sit through hours of online training learning about how illegal it is to structure your deposits that way.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:12 pm to stout
If you are for a Nationalized police force this is what you can expect.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:12 pm to stout
Stout....Did you deposit 10,000 at a time when you were pumping gas????
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:13 pm to stout
The only reason this case got dropped is because it got brought up at a hearing involving the IRS. How many thousands of other cases are out there that don't get media attention?
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:14 pm to dukke v
I have. I would ask you the same but we all know you have never seen $10K in cash and have never had a net worth of $10K.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:14 pm to NYNolaguy1
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The only reason this case got dropped is because it got brought up at a hearing involving the IRS. How many thousands of other cases are out there that don't get media attention?
Exactly. Civil forfeiture is insane on all levels (federal, state, local).
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:15 pm to GetCocky11
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But in at least one case this week -- the case involving the $107,000 mentioned above -- the federal government relented and agreed to return all of the money it seized from a small business owner last summer.
With interest? I'd nail them with market prime.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:15 pm to NYNolaguy1
That's what he gets for trying to be honest. That'll learn him.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:16 pm to GetCocky11
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Exactly. Civil forfeiture is insane on all levels (federal, state, local).
When you really think about it, how many drug dealers are keeping their money in the bank anyway? It was never about curbing illegal activity as they state. It was always a way to rob people.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:17 pm to tigerstripedjacket
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With interest? I'd nail them with market prime.
By law, the government is supposed to return it with interest and cover all fees associated with the case. However, the government is fighting that in this case.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:17 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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If you are for a Nationalized police force this is what you can expect.
To be fair this happens at the local level as well (think Desert Snow), though states are starting to push back from it more so than the fed gov.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:18 pm to NYNolaguy1
[Civil asset forfeitures more than double under Obama]
To its credit, the federal government has been somewhat responsive to the public outcry over these policies. The IRS announced last fall that it would no longer pursue cases like McLellan's, where there was no indication of any wrongdoing other than the bank deposit amount. And this year, then-Attorney General Eric Holder announced modest restrictions on some types of asset forfeiture highlighted in the Washington Post series, and reemphasized the restrictions already put in place by the IRS.
To be honest, I doubt Obama has anything to do with it.
Policing for profit is a big deal now, and it is pathetic.
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To its credit, the federal government has been somewhat responsive to the public outcry over these policies. The IRS announced last fall that it would no longer pursue cases like McLellan's, where there was no indication of any wrongdoing other than the bank deposit amount. And this year, then-Attorney General Eric Holder announced modest restrictions on some types of asset forfeiture highlighted in the Washington Post series, and reemphasized the restrictions already put in place by the IRS.
To be honest, I doubt Obama has anything to do with it.
Policing for profit is a big deal now, and it is pathetic.
LINK
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:19 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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If you are for a Nationalized police force this is what you can expect.
WTF?
The feds have begun to reimburse bullshite asset forfeiture cases, and have even started rewriting regulations on the subject. LINK
It's still not enough, but certainly better than local departments who have absolutely no desire to change, and have said as much citing budget holes that would result from discontinuing the criminal practice.
So I have to ask you, was your post just ignorant, or another example of towing the company line, b/c the state and feds are heading in opposite directions on this practice?
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 5/18/15 at 12:20 pm to stout
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how many drug dealers are keeping their money in the bank anyway?
Correct.
If the guy was a crook why would he continue to make deposits in the first place?
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