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I think that lawyers get a bad rap.

Posted on 12/24/16 at 4:38 am
Posted by LakeViewLSU
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Posted on 12/24/16 at 4:38 am
Lawyers are one of the main reasons we live in a free country. If it weren't for lawyers, corruption would be the law of the land, and the small guy wouldnt have a chance.

Lawyers, along with Traffic Engineers are among the most under appreciated, super important professions.
This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 4:43 am
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31437 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 4:47 am to
Blaming lawyers for corruption and out of control regulation/litigiousness is like blaming firemen for fires, with one glaring exception: firemen typically don't set fires, while a lot of lawyers definitely do the "legal" equivalent.

Also, I've found that legal training and the lawyer mindset doesn't always translate well into certain positions, for example, the presidency. It's not necessarily so, because there are all sorts of lawyers. But the current president (RIP) is one of those pedantic douches we all knew in law school, who is also a self-promoting political docuhe. Double douche. Also there has been a sea change in the poltics and academic focus of most law schools--they've largely become judicial-activist, anti-Constitutional SJW policy cesspools.

Relatedly, Obama hired a bunch of bureaucrat/technocrat-minded lawyers to surround him (that Harold Koh makes my skin crawl, for e.g.).

Then you have the billboard/bus ad types that are often mills who don't even actually practice.

In my practice, I try to think like a businessman, and assess risks with a balance of getting shite done v avoiding legal trouble down the road. I'm not sure why that could possibly be derided.

It's just the vocal shitbags who give us a bad name.

This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 11:37 am
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
3948 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 4:55 am to
Everyone hates lawyers until they need one...
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 12/24/16 at 6:16 am to
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I think that lawyers get a bad rap.


Shakespeare agreed
Posted by Halftrack
The Wild Blue Yonder
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/24/16 at 6:18 am to
Every billboard has a layer ad. Every commercial break on tv has a lawyer ad. This doesn't help.
Posted by Macfly
BR & DS
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 12/24/16 at 6:20 am to
Traffic engineers are good at counting cars.
Posted by LakeViewLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2009
17730 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 6:27 am to
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Traffic engineers are good at counting cars.


Data collection is mostly outsourced nowadays. Especially for large jobs.
Posted by Bmath
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Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 12/24/16 at 6:39 am to
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Lawyers, along with Traffic Engineers are among the most under appreciated, super important professions.


I would argue that its research scientists. They have an equivalent or even higher education level than lawyers, work towards making discoveries that move technology and medicine forward, yet typically make a fraction of the salary.
This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 6:41 am
Posted by LakeViewLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2009
17730 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 6:45 am to
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I would argue that its research scientists.


Research Scientist are definitley underappreciated. I wasnt saying that lawyers and Traffic Engineers were the most underappriciated, just that they were up there.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 6:46 am to
That salary for lawyers is coming down quick
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:15 am to
Well, this is my experience.

Law school destroys empathy. A third-year law student can see both sides of anything but is not particularly sympathetic with either side. They are like a sharp knife, indifferent to what it is cutting.

Older lawyers bring wisdom and judgment to the table. Good ones do a lot of good and resolve a lot of conflict. They are the profession's biggest benefit to society.

Some lawyers never get wise. They are like the golfer who has been shooting 100 after playing for twenty years. They just do what they do. They are irritating but not harmful.

Some lawyers are always true believers. They can sometimes do enormous good. Think about those involved in innocence projects.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:18 am to
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That salary for lawyers is coming down quick


Overall true. But there are winners and losers.

The day when you could hang out a shingle, pay the bills with divorce and criminal, then hit some licks on a big PI case, well, those days are gone.
Posted by Lithium
Member since Dec 2004
61863 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:19 am to
Lawyers do have a bad rap. It's a shame that 98% of all Lawyers give them all a bad name.
Posted by jlblsu
Member since Jan 2013
202 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:21 am to
Then you've obviously never met Slippy.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:22 am to
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I would argue that its research scientists


Hmmm. I wonder what you do?

Seriously, the public's faith in research is steadily declining.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126937 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:26 am to
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I think that lawyers get a bad rap.
99% of lawyers give the other 1% a bad reputation.
Posted by braindeadboxer
Utopia
Member since Nov 2011
8742 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:26 am to
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Think about those involved in innocence projects.


Those folks are working for free too most of the time. God bless those lawyers and their teams. Lots of lawyers piss me off, but those are special.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79100 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:28 am to
I agree

Lawyers and journalists are the most patriotic professions. Those are the real heroes.
Posted by Lithium
Member since Dec 2004
61863 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:30 am to
So you're a journalist with a law degree?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98441 posts
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:31 am to
I am one.

For the most part, this "profession" sucks.

There are good people that do it (I would like to think I am one of them), but Atticus Finch is dead.
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