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How do you fix the public school problem? (Not short)
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:43 pm
My girlfriend is currently teaching 4th grade at a school that's .. How would you put it.. Not an attractive destination job.
90% of her day is spent trying to handle 3-5 kids while the rest of the class is for the most part behaved.
She can't discipline them. She can't send them to the principe because they have steps they have to go through (I'll get to that) before it gets to that "point". They are a total distraction for the entire class all day every day and nothing is done about it.
They have behavior interventionist that document and talk to the kids. But a kid has a multi step process before being punished. Give your teacher the middle finger? Write up..but they are back in class in 30 minutes after a heart warming talk from an interventionist.
ANYWAY.. How the hell did it get to this point? I know the family structure is completely terrible.. But how did it get the point where you have to give a 30 step presentation just I have a kid disciplined?
90% of her day is spent trying to handle 3-5 kids while the rest of the class is for the most part behaved.
She can't discipline them. She can't send them to the principe because they have steps they have to go through (I'll get to that) before it gets to that "point". They are a total distraction for the entire class all day every day and nothing is done about it.
They have behavior interventionist that document and talk to the kids. But a kid has a multi step process before being punished. Give your teacher the middle finger? Write up..but they are back in class in 30 minutes after a heart warming talk from an interventionist.
ANYWAY.. How the hell did it get to this point? I know the family structure is completely terrible.. But how did it get the point where you have to give a 30 step presentation just I have a kid disciplined?
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Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:47 pm to VermilionTiger
I remember when those kids got out of school 30 mins early so they wouldn't cause a disturbance with the other kids. They came from their own special class.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:48 pm to VermilionTiger
the intervention needs to be the business end of paddle with holes in it. second step in the process is GTFO and send them to work camp because they are going to jail anyway. cut out the middle man
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:48 pm to VermilionTiger
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How do you fix the public school problem? (Not short)
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She can't discipline them.
Theres your 1st problem.
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They have behavior interventionist that document and talk to the kids. But a kid has a multi step process before being punished. Give your teacher the middle finger? Write up..but they are back in class in 30 minutes after a heart warming talk from an interventionist.
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How the hell did it get to this point?
Because Boomers were shitty parents to shitty kids that think personal responsibility doesn't exist and now set policy.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:49 pm to Tiger Ryno
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the intervention needs to be the business end of paddle with holes in it.
Anyone else remember bringing home permission slips from school that your parents signed to give the principal permission to paddle your arse if you acted out? I do.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:49 pm to Tiger Ryno
That would be ideal
These kids have no chance in life(the ones that I'm talking about).
These kids have no chance in life(the ones that I'm talking about).
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:49 pm to VermilionTiger
No father figure in their life
Mother uses school as a daycare
Mother uses school as a daycare
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:49 pm to VermilionTiger
My gf teaches kindy in Pcola and has the same situation.
Except, these kids are violent. Like, hitting other kids, throwing desks and chairs, trashing the room. And they are 5.
Parents aren't involved. Can't discipline them because they don't respond.Can only ask them to stop while she calls administration.
She has taught in ebr and Pcola for 5 years at "schedule 1 schools" (90%+ on free lunch). The stories she tells are awful. She's had her phone stolen twice this year (by 5 yr olds).
I am ensuring that she get a job at a better school next year.
Except, these kids are violent. Like, hitting other kids, throwing desks and chairs, trashing the room. And they are 5.
Parents aren't involved. Can't discipline them because they don't respond.Can only ask them to stop while she calls administration.
She has taught in ebr and Pcola for 5 years at "schedule 1 schools" (90%+ on free lunch). The stories she tells are awful. She's had her phone stolen twice this year (by 5 yr olds).
I am ensuring that she get a job at a better school next year.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:50 pm to VermilionTiger
Take education away from government control and move it over to the private sector.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:50 pm to VermilionTiger
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ANYWAY.. How the hell did it get to this point?
LIBERALISM
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:50 pm to VermilionTiger
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How do you fix the public school problem? (Not short)
Better parenting.
Throw all the money, punishment, or whatever else you want but it isn't going to fix bad parenting.
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:50 pm to VermilionTiger
that is what I figured. actually their parents should be put in jail eventually if the behavior continues. if they aren't already in jail.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:50 pm to lsunurse
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Anyone else remember bringing home permission slips from school that your parents signed to give the principal permission to paddle your arse if you acted out? I do.
I'm 25 and our parents had to sign something if they DIDNT want their kids paddled
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:51 pm to VermilionTiger
How many years has your girlfriend been teaching?
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:51 pm to VermilionTiger
shite....my teacher would call my dad and he'd come beat my arse in the parking lot when I was a kid.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:51 pm to lsunurse
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Anyone else remember bringing home permission slips from school that your parents signed to give the principal permission to paddle your arse if you acted out? I do.
Yep. I also remember one time my principal called my dad to get his permission to paddle me. My dad told him "I'll be there in 10 minutes".
He showed up, took his belt off, and whipped my arse right there in the principal's office.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:51 pm to Walt OReilly
and they took prayer out of schools.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:54 pm to Tiger Ryno
Agreed. Whip the thug children with belts like back in the day.
They'll shut up and learn to read.
They'll shut up and learn to read.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:54 pm to brgfather129
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How many years has your girlfriend been teaching?
Graduates in December. This half year was her first
She's moving to Pre K starting next year. Hopefully that's better for her.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:54 pm to VermilionTiger
Not like this at my kids schools, they get written up and detention for wearing shorts that aren't as long as their fingertips with their arms at their sides.
Simple answer is parent involvement. If parents take care of the discipline, then the teachers don't have to. If parents complain and raise hell every time their kids get in trouble, then the kids learn there are no consequences for bad behavior. Instead of learning that actions have consequences as a kid when the consequences aren't bad, they grow up and figure it out when the consequences are much more severe.
Simple answer is parent involvement. If parents take care of the discipline, then the teachers don't have to. If parents complain and raise hell every time their kids get in trouble, then the kids learn there are no consequences for bad behavior. Instead of learning that actions have consequences as a kid when the consequences aren't bad, they grow up and figure it out when the consequences are much more severe.
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