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re: Honest obituary of 20 year old dying from heroin

Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:46 pm to
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:46 pm to
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It's an important discussion.


I agree it's serious. I just think it's a dumb thing to get hung up on, the whole "is it a disease" issue.

Whatever you want to call it, it's serious. I think we're agreeing here.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118806 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:48 pm to
It's sad for the family is really what I meant.

To call it a disease is just not true. You can stop doing drugs/heroin whenever you want. But you have to want to stop, and most addicts don't.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
7311 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:50 pm to
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It's a disease that is the result of bad decisions. But, it's still a disease.



It may be but addiction is not a disease that anyone should feel sympathetic about. Big difference. No reason to feel sorry for anyone that is addicted to anything.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19419 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:51 pm to
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her mom sold her for drug money


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she used to do drugs to get through the experience


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dilute the gene pool with their weak genetics.


hm, seems to me a girl with stronger genes may have been able to cope with that truly horrible trauma without turning to drugs.

I have first cousins who are currently using heroin. I know some about it. I feel nothing for them, and they are my blood. Call me evil, whatever, couldn't care less. I'll see them in a coffin one day and not care a bit.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259604 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:52 pm to
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To call it a disease is just not true. You can stop doing drugs/heroin whenever you want. But you have to want to stop, and most addicts don't.


Are smoking related illnesses diseases? Are cancers related to exposure to harmful products diseases?

Addiction isn't cured. It's put into remission. Your body is never 100% the same.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19419 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:52 pm to
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It's sad for the family is really what I meant.


I agree with this
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:53 pm to
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Whatever you want to call it, it's serious. I think we're agreeing here.


Glad to agree

Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
25286 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:04 pm to
Im not getting into this meaningless 10 page pissing match over the definition of what is a disease and what is not but I think we can all agree that alcoholism and substance abuse can falls under the umbrella of a disease "concept". What we really need to be talking about is solutions not problems.

quote:

Concepts
In many cases, terms such as disease, disorder, morbidity and illness are used interchangeably.[4] There are situations, however, when specific terms are considered preferable.

Disease
The term disease broadly refers to any condition that impairs the normal functioning of the body. For this reason, diseases are associated with dysfunctioning of the body's normal homeostatic processes.[5] The term disease has both a count sense (a disease, two diseases, many diseases) and a noncount sense (not much disease, less disease, a lot of disease). Commonly, the term is used to refer specifically to infectious diseases, which are clinically evident diseases that result from the presence of pathogenic microbial agents, including viruses, bacteria, fungi, protozoa, multicellular organisms, and aberrant proteins known as prions. An infection that does not and will not produce clinically evident impairment of normal functioning, such as the presence of the normal bacteria and yeasts in the gut, or of a passenger virus, is not considered a disease. By contrast, an infection that is asymptomatic during its incubation period, but expected to produce symptoms later, is usually considered a disease. Non-infectious diseases are all other diseases, including most forms of cancer[citation needed], heart disease, and genetic disease.
What is/is not a "Disease"
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:05 pm to
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It's a bitch my man, but it's part of my character now and I have to live with it. It's actually made me a better person, I have a stronger appreciation for life today. Don't ever try that shite, and I'm glad you realize that it's not something to mess with!



Indeed. Not much in life scares me, but pure addiction frightens the frick out of me.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259604 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:09 pm to
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Indeed. Not much in life scares me, but pure addiction frightens the frick out of me.


I refuse to take pain pills. I know too many normal people who became addicts via that route.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:11 pm to
Sad....

This epidemic needs to stop.

Only if we showed 1/2 of this sympathy to the crack fiends in the 80s
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
25286 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:14 pm to
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Only if we showed 1/2 of this sympathy to the crack fiends in the 80s
The crime they committed made them hard to sympathize with.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
52824 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:21 pm to
Here is another heartbreaker from yahoo sports the other day. I'm sure some posters will call him a weak TPOS hood rat!
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CARY, N.C. — Drew Gintis loved wrestling, his mom explains. Really, really loved it. “It was his identity,” she says. Marsha Gintis sits in a coffee shop outside Raleigh with the sun streaming in through the window behind her. She opens a manila folder and there is a written speech and a large photo of her son. This is so difficult for her to talk about, but she feels she must. There are lives at stake.

Drew started wrestling as a high school freshman and he lost nearly all of his matches. Yet by junior year he was a co-captain and was planning to wrestle in college. He went from 1-21 to 21-2. Marsha always cringed when she watched her only boy wrestle – there was one time he had his entire face wrapped from an injury – and she vividly remembers the shoulder injury that ended his career as a senior. A doctor prescribed Oxycodone. The shoulder healed, but Drew didn’t.

Drew Gintis, at age 18, had become addicted to painkillers. And like so many who have fallen victim to America’s opioid crisis, he started to take drastic measures to feel the way he felt on the meds. He raided cabinets, stole pills, and then it got even worse – heroin use. What was once a household’s excitement about college became a battle to save a son.

“Your whole family system just disintegrates,” Marsha says.

LINK -

Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:22 pm to
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The crime they committed made them hard to sympathize with.


the users or dealers?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34914 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:22 pm to
Yawn.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:25 pm to
He's not a TPOS, but he's not one of Jerry's kids either. Yes it's sad, but I'll raise the ante by offering up the story of any kid at St.judes or Shriners Hospital. Or for that matter most any adult patient at MD Anderson.
Who would you have more sympathy for?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259604 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:27 pm to
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Only if we showed 1/2 of this sympathy to the crack fiends in the 80s


Heroin has a worse stigma than crack.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34914 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:29 pm to
It isn't the stigma the resident racist was going after.

It was that crack overwhelmingly affected minorities (blacks) compared to whites. Where he's getting mad at the "woe is addiction" whitey gets with heroin.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 8:30 pm
Posted by OWLFAN86
The OT has made me richer
Member since Jun 2004
175602 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:32 pm to
who's the resident racist ?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34914 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:33 pm to
Bitch boy strong safety.

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