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re: Honest obituary of 20 year old dying from heroin

Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:03 pm to
Posted by LucasP
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:03 pm to
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Because I see addiction disorders on a regular basis at work and have developed an educated opinion based on literature and practical experience.

So what changes when someone accepts your position that it's a disease? Does it become more serious? More treatable? Any different at all?
Posted by Recovered
Member since May 2016
577 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:07 pm to
It's a mental disorder that becomes a physical disease. Just like you made the decision to start you can make the decision to stop. With treatment, mental and physical dependency can be overcome. shite like to kill me, but everyday I make the decision to live my life without it now, but the cycle had to be stopped with treatment.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:07 pm to
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:11 pm to
my problem, my real probelm is that my father is a hoe and never stuck around to teach me shite that men are supposed to teach their sons when it comes to women. i have a big heart and i always try to help and addicts see that shite coming a mile away. you can't love someone out of addiction.

i mean, it's not like i was pro spending money on drugs. everytime i'd put my food down i'd get some shite like this LINK i mean waht the frick am i supposed to do (that's what i'm thinking) i'm not going to let her go homeless i care about her what i didn't' know at the time is that she wasn't kicked out her parents wouldn't let her use at home and i would. she also knew ic ouldn't visually stand the sight of seeing her going through withdraws. women are fricking scandalous. i wish i could find the text she sent telling me i8 had to give her 500 dollars or else she was going to get raped or killed and yes i did it
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 7:14 pm
Posted by Vegas Eddie
The Quad
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:15 pm to
Darwin Award winner
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:15 pm to
It's not a disease, but it's sad none the less.
Posted by Blob Fish
Member since Mar 2016
3091 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:16 pm to
While addiction is certainly a disease for which one can be predisposed, modern America loves to downplay the personal responsibility of the individual. Addicts are painted as powerless victims, which they are not.

2017 America is the Land of the Victim and Home of the Entitled. Nobody is at fault for anything. We are all just victims of our situations and our chromosomes. There is no good, and there is no evil. There is no choice. Now give me your stuff, you privileged POS.
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:18 pm to
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Did you not read the rest of that? There's no logical conclusion to draw from it being a disease or not, it changes nothing.


Wow, you responded to that study two minutes after I posted it. You are an abstract skimmer or you already have have strong opinion.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:19 pm to
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loves to downplay the personal responsibility of the individual. Addicts are painted as powerless victims, which they are not.


This isn't true. Addicts aren't victims. They are very sick though
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:20 pm to
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Wow, you responded to that study two minutes after I posted it. You are an abstract skimmer or you already have have strong opinion.



No, I simply don't care about semantics. Disease or no, makes no difference.

Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:22 pm to
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Probably a doctor that over prescribed pain pills.


Blaming others is a RED flag.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259898 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:23 pm to
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's not a disease, but it's sad none the less.


Watch an addict going through withdrawals. It's both sad and an illness.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:24 pm to
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This isn't true. Addicts aren't victims. They are very sick though
i know some addicts who really are victims. not every drug addict picks up drugs in their late teens recreationaly for no reason other than making a stupid decision there are real victims out there. my heart goes out to them.
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Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19419 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:26 pm to
It's not sad though
Posted by BowDownToLSU
Livingston louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
19218 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:29 pm to
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You better hope and pray that your life is never affected by addiction. It is a disease that is physical, mental, and spiritual. If you don't believe that, I hope for your sake that you never come to believe it.
my dad is on home hospice with cancer.....herion is an addiction that started as a choice
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:34 pm to
the truth of the matter is that people who aren't addicts or don't deal with drugs tend to paint things too black and white and have a need to have to lump it in a category because they don't understand it. at the same time people who are addicts or who have experience with addiction, tend to over state the power of the drug and understate their personal responsibility. which is why these debates get so heated.

every persons story is unique to them. i didn't start using for the same reason the woman in this thread who died started using and she didn't start using because of the same reason that girls i know started using. i dont' know why she relapsed. but i'm sure it wasn't for the same reason i did when i did.


While I did get kinda suckered into using, it was still my decision to do so, i was a grown 22 year old man. I had a car, a job, an apartment, I payed taxes. I was old enough to know right from wrong and I knew it was wrong and did not care because I wanted to get laid. I can take personal responsibility for that today. But I can also take personal responsibility on rather or not I use today or tomorrow or the next day. Everyday I wake up and I chose to not release. When you make good decisions in your life good things happen, when you make bad decisions bad things happen.

I still play around with ice from time to time and you know what, while i'm not worried about getting addicted i know that what i'm doing is illegal. if i get caught that's not the cops fault or anyone else's fault it's mine cause i chose to. i just don't care because 1. i'm not an idiot and don't plan on getting caught / i don't do shite that puts me out there like that and 2. i dont' think it should be illegal anyway morally. that's a decision i'm willing to live with if that day every comes from my own personal beliefs. But it's my decision.


if you have never seen the west wing, watch the scene where leo explains to the woman about him being an alcoholic. it's the best explanation on addiction i've ever seen.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 7:36 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126951 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:37 pm to
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It's not a disease...

Somehow calling it a disease makes it seem like the druggies are victims and had no choice in becoming drug addicts.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19419 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:40 pm to
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tend to paint things too black and white and have a need to have to lump it in a category because they don't understand it.


or maybe we are just enough of a sociopath to actually see that it's a good thing when addicts don't dilute the gene pool with their weak genetics.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 7:41 pm
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:43 pm to
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I simply don't care about semantics. Disease or no, makes no difference.


Disease or no, it does make a difference. Everyone knows someone dealing with addiction. It's an important discussion.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:45 pm to
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or maybe we are just enough of a sociopath to actually see that it's a good thing when addicts don't dilute the gene pool with their weak genetics.


A girl i used to hang out with started doing herion when she was 13 years old because her mom sold her for drug money. she used to do drugs to get through the experience and hasn't stopped. i have a hard time calling her anything but a victim. No she doesn't have a disease but the girl never had a real choice in the matter. There is a story in the NA big book about a female prostitute whose dad used to molest her and she ran away to san francisco and she used to turn tricks just to have a place to stay and got caught up in addiction.


you dont' know anything about drug addiction, stop trolling and acting like you do it's a serious subject. .
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