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re: Having Gun Discussion On Facebook W/ A Friend
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:32 pm to wickowick
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:32 pm to wickowick
I think everyone is misinterpreting my posts. I am all for the 2nd amendment. I have a gun, and i'll be damned if someone thinks they can pass a law that forces me to relinquish my weapon that I use to protect myself and my family. HOWEVER, there needs to be stricter laws set in place that make it harder for people to obtain weapons and ammo. Yes, I know Wal-Mart and Bass Pro have background checks, but a Wal-Mart background check and a Police background check are two totally different things.
There will never be a way to stop criminals from obtaining guns illegaly unless we completely wipe out all gangs and drug cartels. Sure we could make stricter border laws but there isn't a political figure out there that is willing to declare an all out stoppage on allowing people in to America which is unfortunate. That's the major thing that separates us from the rest of the world. Take for instance the UK. In order to have a job in the UK, you must either be a citizen or have a working visa (passport). Something as simple as that could help America, but we are too worried about hurt feelings than fixing the glaring issues.
There will never be a way to stop criminals from obtaining guns illegaly unless we completely wipe out all gangs and drug cartels. Sure we could make stricter border laws but there isn't a political figure out there that is willing to declare an all out stoppage on allowing people in to America which is unfortunate. That's the major thing that separates us from the rest of the world. Take for instance the UK. In order to have a job in the UK, you must either be a citizen or have a working visa (passport). Something as simple as that could help America, but we are too worried about hurt feelings than fixing the glaring issues.
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Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:32 pm to USAF Hart
I am 100% fine with any precautions you want to implement against firearms, if we do the same for voting.
ID, background checks, hold periods, retinal scanners, rectum scanners, etc.
ID, background checks, hold periods, retinal scanners, rectum scanners, etc.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:32 pm to USAF Hart
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Build precincts at every police station that are manned 24/7 that can sell weapons and ammo to citizens who have the proper documentation and background check approval. Run thumb prints, retina scans, the whole nine yards.
The "whole 9 yards" being the inevitable abuse of power?
Do you WANT A police state?
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:33 pm to USAF Hart
The current background system works fine. The problem is criminals either obtain firearms from individuals or get their GF/friend/family member to go into the store and buy it for them. Bottom line is criminals don't abide by the law, that's why they are criminals.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:34 pm to USAF Hart
quote:
I think everyone is misinterpreting my posts. I am all for the 2nd amendment. I have a gun, and i'll be damned if someone thinks they can pass a law that forces me to relinquish my weapon that I use to protect myself and my family. HOWEVER, there needs to be stricter laws set in place that make it harder for people to obtain weapons and ammo. Yes, I know Wal-Mart and Bass Pro have background checks, but a Wal-Mart background check and a Police background check are two totally different things.
There will never be a way to stop criminals from obtaining guns illegaly unless we completely wipe out all gangs and drug cartels. Sure we could make stricter border laws but there isn't a political figure out there that is willing to declare an all out stoppage on allowing people in to America which is unfortunate. That's the major thing that separates us from the rest of the world. Take for instance the UK. In order to have a job in the UK, you must either be a citizen or have a working visa (passport). Something as simple as that could help America, but we are too worried about hurt feelings than fixing the glaring issues.
are you fricking high right now?
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:34 pm to USAF Hart
Tell your friend his numbers are shite. Total horseshite.
You think Mexico, Central American countries and many African countries have a lower per capita murder rate than the U.S.?
Did you just accept his bullshite chart?
You think Mexico, Central American countries and many African countries have a lower per capita murder rate than the U.S.?
Did you just accept his bullshite chart?
This post was edited on 8/27/15 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:35 pm to Chad504boy
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Chad504boy
Are you capable of having a rational discussion without name calling and over using profanity for no reason what so ever?
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:38 pm to USAF Hart
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:38 pm to USAF Hart
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by USAF Hart
I'm sorry but you won't get any serious discussion on here about possible steps to curb gun violence.
Anything you suggest that would possibly make it harder for a criminal to get a gun will be met with such mental gymnastics as "criminals don't buy guns like normal people. Since they don't buy guns at stores like normal people then there is no reason to tighten the requirements to get a gun. Since we can't tighten requirements then there is nothing that can be done."
"So basically, we should do nothing".
That's the type of conversation that goes on around here.
This post was edited on 8/27/15 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:38 pm to USAF Hart
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Are you capable of having a rational discussion without name calling and over using profanity for no reason what so ever?
you haven't said anything worth an intellectual discussion thus far. Your thoughts in this thread is beyond simple minded stupidity arguing against invalid facts and everything you type is littered with down votes.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:40 pm to USAF Hart
Just say this, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed," and proceed to drop the mic.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:40 pm to USAF Hart
Looking at the oft maligned wikipedia at Murder Rates by country in the most recently reported year.
The United States is 111th on the list with 4.7 murders per 100,000 residents. Countries higher than the US include:
North Korea - 5.2 (and they control everything)
British Virgin Islands - 8.4
Russia - 9.2
Cayman Islands (UK) - 14.2
Mexico - 21.5
Brazil - 25.2
South Africa - 31.0
Jamaica - 39.3
The most dangerous country on the list...Houduras 90.4
Yes...China, UK, Czech Republic, and France are all 1.0.
Ireland is 1.2 and Italy is actually 0.9.
LINK
Tell him that Donald Trump said to get rid of the Mexicans and put up a wall, and our murder rate would be the same as our European counterparts...(of course, Trump hasn't said this, but it would make his liberal head explode to turn the discussion from gun control to illegal immigration).
The United States is 111th on the list with 4.7 murders per 100,000 residents. Countries higher than the US include:
North Korea - 5.2 (and they control everything)
British Virgin Islands - 8.4
Russia - 9.2
Cayman Islands (UK) - 14.2
Mexico - 21.5
Brazil - 25.2
South Africa - 31.0
Jamaica - 39.3
The most dangerous country on the list...Houduras 90.4
Yes...China, UK, Czech Republic, and France are all 1.0.
Ireland is 1.2 and Italy is actually 0.9.
LINK
Tell him that Donald Trump said to get rid of the Mexicans and put up a wall, and our murder rate would be the same as our European counterparts...(of course, Trump hasn't said this, but it would make his liberal head explode to turn the discussion from gun control to illegal immigration).
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:40 pm to LesMiles BFF
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I'm sorry but you won't get any serious discussion on here about possible steps to curb him violence.
The numbers in his OP are ludicrous. Laughably ludicrous.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:41 pm to USAF Hart
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I think everyone is misinterpreting my posts. I am all for the 2nd amendment. I have a gun, and i'll be damned if someone thinks they can pass a law that forces me to relinquish my weapon that I use to protect myself and my family. HOWEVER, there needs to be stricter laws set in place that make it harder for people to obtain weapons and ammo.
What you need to understand is that people on here cannot reconcile the two thoughts.
To them, making it tougher to get guns means you are against the 2nd amendment and therefore anti-American.
There are some really stupid and stubborn people around here.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:41 pm to USAF Hart
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He posted a chart that said America has 3.7 murders per 100,000 residents. The next closest is Italy at 0.68. So it raised the question how can we control who and how people obtain guns and I think I found the best solution...
Nigeria, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Chad, Libya, Syria, Iraq... aww hell... most of the world has higher death by firearm rates than we do. Oh, btw, the day that we had the sandyhook shooting, some loonie in China brought a sword to school and killed like 30 kids... so now we should ban cutlery?
You know what else is illegel? marijuana... Guns arent the problem. Man's intent to do ill will is the problem.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:42 pm to USAF Hart
I see all the down votes but I actually agree with you to an extent
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:43 pm to USAF Hart
quote:I just did the google search I said I would and your friend's assertions are just laughable. We are not even close to the top and neither were the ones I listed (even though they were more than the US).
USAF Hart
I saw a list that matched your friend's somewhat and it had all kinds of parameters that were just horseshite. Income level, type of nation (development level), etc...
Your friend is a hack.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:44 pm to Scoop
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The numbers in his OP are ludicrous. Laughably ludicrous.
The number really isn't what the discussion is about now is it. The main discussion is how to lower illegal gun violence.
Why throw the baby out with the bath water? A civil discussion can be had here without knowing the exact number.
This post was edited on 8/27/15 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:44 pm to USAF Hart
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a Wal-Mart background check and a Police background check are two totally different things.
The NICS is run by the FBI, what are local police going to find that the FBI isn't already finding?
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:44 pm to Chillini
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think you don't understand how to read data. Clearly broken down per 100,000 to accurately compare differing populations.
You think a random sample of 100,000 Italians and a random sample of 100,000 Americans is anywhere near possible to compare?
His original comparison of Italy and America is retarded. He's better off comparing a single state in the Union to a single country in Europe and even that is a tentatively better comparison at best.
So I went with a frick you this is America comment. Which is better than explaining how stupid his comparison is.
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