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re: For the love of ife, when will Europe fight back?
Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:16 pm to Spirit of Dunson
Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:16 pm to Spirit of Dunson
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A child under 12 dies from gun violence about every other day in the US.
Sounds like a culture problem, not a gun problem.
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 2:17 pm to Spirit of Dunson
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under 12 dies from gun violence about every other day in the US.
We aren't discussing the Chicago gun violence
Posted on 7/26/16 at 2:33 pm to CrazyJoeDivola
Something that many of you are forgetting is that the overwhelming majority of these attacks are carried out by citizens. Not refugees or asylum-seekers. Citizens, often born and raised there.
In most cases, the attackers are children or grandchildren from the big immigration wave that took place during the 1960's. They are (usually) simply people with criminal records to start with who decided this was a good way to be famous and known for somethng. ISIS will claim credit for it even if they had nothing to do with it.
So "fighting back" is often just basic police work, which Europe is doing, but it is harder than some of you seem to realize. For example, if they simply cracked down on anyone descended from immigrants that is a great way to lose the next election, they get to vote too you know.
In most cases, the attackers are children or grandchildren from the big immigration wave that took place during the 1960's. They are (usually) simply people with criminal records to start with who decided this was a good way to be famous and known for somethng. ISIS will claim credit for it even if they had nothing to do with it.
So "fighting back" is often just basic police work, which Europe is doing, but it is harder than some of you seem to realize. For example, if they simply cracked down on anyone descended from immigrants that is a great way to lose the next election, they get to vote too you know.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 2:41 pm to foshizzle
Sorry but usually when the police get involved its to clean up the body count.
Some options:
1. Stop any and all additional immigration from Muslim countries and those practicing Islam.
2. Stop being so politically correct - the first step in combating a problem is admitting there is one (Obama?)
3. Assimilation happens through education and schools - there should be an added focus on teaching western culture in schools in Europe from a very early age. No special exceptions for Muslims or any religion - but lets face it, Muslims are the issue.
Some options:
1. Stop any and all additional immigration from Muslim countries and those practicing Islam.
2. Stop being so politically correct - the first step in combating a problem is admitting there is one (Obama?)
3. Assimilation happens through education and schools - there should be an added focus on teaching western culture in schools in Europe from a very early age. No special exceptions for Muslims or any religion - but lets face it, Muslims are the issue.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:35 pm to stelly1025
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Shut down the borders and stop taking refugees for one...
If you make refugees illegal, then the only refugees will by criminals . . .
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:21 pm to Spirit of Dunson
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That's the thing. They feel the same about us. There are a lot more Americans killed by guns per year than Europeans killed by terrorists.
Difference is US killings is crime on crime which is ok with everyone. Europes killings are innocent people dying because of terrorist. Huge difference.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:27 pm to upgrayedd
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Counting suicides is bull shite.
The shocking difference in how blacks and whites are killed by guns
Among whites, 77 percent of gun deaths are suicides.
But among black Americans, 82 percent of gun deaths are homicides.
About 41 percent of white households own guns,
compared to just 19 percent of black households, according to a 2014 Pew survey.
HOW ARE THERE SO MANY BLACK HOMICIDES (84%) IF ONLY 19% OF BLACK HOUSEHOLDS HAVE GUNS?
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:29 pm to Upperdecker
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No, there are far more Americans and Europeans killed by cars than any of the above. Why haven't we outlawed cars? Because cars don't kill people, bad drivers kill people. In the same way, guns don't kill people, bad people kill other bad people. In the US they choose guns, in Europe they choose bombs, machetes, and even the guns that are supposedly "illegal". Outlawing guns has hurt Europe far more than it could have ever helped them
Since you want to get into the numbers, lets take a look. 1/3 Americans own one or more guns, so 100 million Americans own guns. 214 million people in the US has a driver's license.
With 100 million people owning guns, 30,000 people a year are killed. With 214 million people driving, 37,000 people a year are killed by vehicle accidents. If everyone had a gun and a driver's license you can make the argument, but if the number of people who drive equaled the same number of people who has a gun, in theory, over 60,000 people a year would be killed by a gun.
No one with any sense can actually think that things would be safer if more people had guns. I don't know how many of the people killed by guns are killed because of a mistake (someone thinking the gun is not loaded, etc), but if you put more cars on the road, there will be more wrecks, if more people had guns there would be more accidents.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:34 pm to CrazyJoeDivola
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Multiculturalism and open borders coming home to roost in Europe.
Germany: Migrant Rape Crisis Worsens
Public spaces are becoming perilous for women and children
Sexual violence in Germany has skyrocketed since Angela Merkel allowed more than one million mostly male migrants from Africa, Asia and the Middle East into the country.
The crimes are being downplayed by the authorities, apparently to avoid fueling anti-immigration sentiments.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:48 pm to Spirit of Dunson
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There are a lot more Americans killed by guns per year than Europeans killed by terrorists.
In Europe the Terrorists are doing the killing but in America it's done by guns. Got it.
If you're honest, on both continents murders are committed by bad people by whatever means available. Conflating guns with terrorists is crafty, though. The difference is a terrorist is necessarily evil and violent, while a gun is an inanimate tool which can be used to for good or evil. A single mom can not keep a terrorist by her bed and use it to defend herself and her child from a homicidal rapist. Terrorists make terrible trunk-monkeys.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 5:14 pm to CrazyJoeDivola
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the first step in combating a problem is admitting there is one (Obama?)
What does Obama have to do with solving Frances problems? And remember the vast majority of Muslims aren't doing anything to bother anyone.
Implementing blanket schemes against Muslims just for being Muslim is like doing the same thing against responsible gun owners when there's a wave of school shootings.
Does your plan also involve targeting Muslims who work with the FBI as informants to spot terrorists?
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 7/26/16 at 5:59 pm to Upperdecker
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Why would you count suicides? Someone who is going to commit suicide can do it by any number of means, and will, with or without guns
Just as someone that wants to hurt people will find a way with or without guns.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 6:01 pm to CrazyJoeDivola
Will the US learn from europes mistakes or will our gooberment continue to import terrorist?
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