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For the first time since 1991, the US Navy publishes report on Russian Navy
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:38 am
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:38 am
.... and it looks like the Russians are back in business for real...
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A new report from the U.S. Navy’s intelligence branch paints a sobering picture of Putin’s increasingly aggressive fleet—and its deadly international shows of force.
For the first time in 24 years, the U.S. Navy’s intelligence branch has published an unclassified report warning against a rapidly rearming and increasingly aggressive Russian fleet.
And while the report—which the Navy intends for public consumption—has been years in the making, recent events have underscored just how serious its findings are. It’s becoming clearer by the day that, with the strong backing of President Vladimir Putin, the Russian navy is making a serious effort to challenge the world’s preeminent maritime power—the United States.
“Russia has begun, and over the next decade will make large strides in fielding a 21st-century navy capable of a dependable national defense [and] an impressive but limited presence in more distant global areas of interest, manned by a new generation of post-Soviet officers and enlisted personnel,” The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition concludes.
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:42 am to Darth_Vader
Call me when they sail up the Potomac.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:44 am to bamarep
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Call me when they sail up the Potomac.
Doubt that ever happens. But if it did I think it would be a little late for a phone call.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:46 am to Darth_Vader
Without a worthy adversary, it's more difficult for the US Navy to justify its own budget.
Here's another evaluation of the state of the Russian Navy. LINK
Here's another evaluation of the state of the Russian Navy. LINK
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:47 am to Darth_Vader
So what. We have the best navy and it's not even close. Just think of what other countries must think of us when we continue to strengthen our navy when no other country can challenge us. This is probably a scare tactic to free up more money to further strengthen our own navy...or justify the defense spending.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:50 am to Topwater Trout
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This is probably a scare tactic to free up more money to further strengthen our own navy...or justify the defense spending.
Hence the reason this report is unclassified and in the news.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:50 am to Darth_Vader
quote:Oh no, a capable homeland defense and limited international presence. I'm terrified.
capable of a dependable national defense [and] an impressive but limited presence in more distant global areas of interest
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:50 am to Darth_Vader
The Russian navy is a frigate navy and isn't capable of projecting a presence and therefore isn't much of a threat
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:51 am to Jim Rockford
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Without a worthy adversary, it's more difficult for the US Navy to justify its own budget.
Here's another evaluation of the state of the Russian Navy. LINK
I've seen that report before. And no offense, but I'll take the evaluation of the U.S. Navy's top Russian expert over some blogger all day long.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:52 am to Topwater Trout
I have seen the black sea fleet in sebastopol it was a joke compared to what is in San Diego.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:52 am to Topwater Trout
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So what. We have the best navy and it's not even close. Just think of what other countries must think of us when we continue to strengthen our navy when no other country can challenge us. This is probably a scare tactic to free up more money to further strengthen our own navy...or justify the defense spending.
You could be right, you could be wrong. But there's a reason we're the world's greatest superpower and it's our military. We need to stay ahead of the curve and not react when studies like this come out it is a little alarming.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:55 am to Darth_Vader
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I've seen that report before. And no offense, but I'll take the evaluation of the U.S. Navy's top Russian expert over some blogger all day long.
Even you have to admit, though, that there is likely some bias in the Navy's report just for the purpose of justifying funding.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:01 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:07 pm to TigerFanatic99
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Even you have to admit, though, that there is likely some bias in the Navy's report just for the purpose of justifying funding.
Sure it's possible. But it's still something that we cannot ignore either. Yes we still have naval superiority over our two closest naval rivals (Russia & China). But as this report points out, Russia has very recently demonstrated the capability of projecting power over great distances. And while our carrier groups are massive and can project power on a scale no other country can hope to match, they're still vulnerable to the very sort of weapons Russia has now shown the capability of using, namely long range cruise missiles. And what's more worrisome is that while Russia is busy building up their navy, we're moving in the other direction ( LINK).
Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:09 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
I have no problem with our defense spending...I'm all for it. Some people freak out over info like this. There was a report of Russian bombers flying close to the us a few years ago (maybe in the GOM) and while some will freak out I say so what...Russia isn't going to attack us
Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:18 pm to Topwater Trout
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There was a report of Russian bombers flying close to the us a few years ago (maybe in the GOM) and while some will freak out I say so what..
This is something they use to do back in the Cold War days on a regular basis. They'd fly their bomber's just off the coast right on the edge of international airspace with their transponders turned off. They've started doing it again and I believe it's become an almost routine thing again.
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Russia isn't going to attack us
I agree. But that's not to say there's no risk of anything happening. Russia is rapidly rebuilding their armed forces and already have dwarfed anything all of Europe combined could field against them. If Russia ever moved in the Balkans or tried something like reclaiming the Baltic states, Europe would not be able to do much about it.
If anything it's high time for Europe to pull their collective heads out of their asses and start rebuilding their own armed forces.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:22 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Did they ever stop? I thought they have been consistently doing this for decades. It may have picked up in the last decade--that wouldn't surprise me.
This is something they use to do back in the Cold War days on a regular basis. They'd fly their bomber's just off the coast right on the edge of international airspace with their transponders turned off. They've started doing it again and I believe it's become an almost routine thing again.
quote:I'm pretty sure NATO could prevent Russia from succeeding in any kind of invasion and occupation. Sure, that includes the US, but I think the major European powers could handle Russia.
I agree. But that's not to say there's no risk of anything happening. Russia is rapidly rebuilding their armed forces and already have dwarfed anything all of Europe combined could field against them. If Russia ever moved in the Balkans or tried something like reclaiming the Baltic states, Europe would not be able to do much about it.
If anything it's high time for Europe to pull their collective heads out of their asses and start rebuilding their own armed forces.
Russia won't try it--it's kind of a silly thing to even discuss.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:28 pm to Hog on the Hill
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id they ever stop? I thought they have been consistently doing this for decades. It may have picked up in the last decade--that wouldn't surprise me.
Yeah, after the collapse of the Soviet Union they stopped their long range bomber "patrols". They simply lacked the resources to keep their bombers in the air. That's changed though. Now they're back to their intercontinental bomber patrols close to our shores. And on top of that, just a few weeks ago they launched one of the biggest bombing missions the world has seen in decades....
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The Russian air force just pulled off one of the biggest and most complex heavy bomber missions in modern history—sending no fewer than 25 Backfire, Bear, and Blackjack bombers on a coordinated, long-range air raid against alleged ISIS forces in Syria.
The Tuesday mission, which launched under the cover of darkness from a base in Ossetia in southern Russia, signaled a significant escalation of Moscow’s air war in Syria—and heralded the rebirth of Russian heavy bomber squadrons that once had withered from a lack of funding.
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:30 pm to Hog on the Hill
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Did they ever stop? I thought they have been consistently doing this for decades. It may have picked up in the last decade--that wouldn't surprise me.
Sort of. They didn't have the assets to really do it with any consistency or malevolence for a long time.
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I'm pretty sure NATO could prevent Russia from succeeding in any kind of invasion and occupation. Sure, that includes the US, but I think the major European powers could handle Russia.
They'd probably be fine without us in the air and in the sea, but they'd have trouble doing much of anything if the Russians were nakedly aggressive in the Baltics or parts of southeastern Europe. The Euros rely on us for a lot of crap (witness Libya) that would be absolutely necessary were a real shooting war to ever kick off.
I do think it's far past time for the Euros to start building up their forces again. Germany is a shadow of itself from even 25 years ago. Britain probably couldn't even do what it did in the Falklands any longer. Only France seems to be taking any of this seriously.
It's one great advantage the Russians have over the Euros: when every system, process, training regimen, strategic imitative, etc., etc. are all complementing and reinforcing one another (rather than piecemeal, like the Euros), then it forms a stronger cohesive whole.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:33 pm to Hog on the Hill
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'm pretty sure NATO could prevent Russia from succeeding in any kind of invasion and occupation. Sure, that includes the US, but I think the major European powers could handle Russia.
Sadly, they can't. While the collapse of the Soviet Union in 91 basically brought down the Red Army with it, all the European powers likewise cut back their own armed forces is a massive degree. And while Russia has been rearming for years now, Europe has not. Even the U.S. has massively scaled back it's military power there. We still have some air power there. But from a ground combat standpoint we're pathetically weak. All that's left on a permanent basis is one armored cavalry regiment in Germany (and it doesn't even have any tanks) and one airborne infantry brigade in Italy.
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