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re: Drone Video Shows The Horrifying Scale Of The Volkswagen Buyback
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:00 pm to barry
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:00 pm to barry
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They can't. It's part of their agreement.
That's an overreach on the part of our government IMO....but VW cheated. They cheated on what became a core part of their market appeal in the US.
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:15 pm to member12
As someone that owned one of those cars, I could care less that they cheated. It was great going 700+ miles on a tank of gas. They are yanking those cars off the road like they are bombs instead of slightly heavier polluters. The emission problems were not that big. It was a relatively small number of cars. Should they be punished, yes.
I am sure the world is much better off now that I drive a suburban instead of a diesel passat.
I am sure the world is much better off now that I drive a suburban instead of a diesel passat.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:18 pm to Cypdog
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The emission problems were not that big. It was a relatively small number of cars. Should they be punished, yes.
The emissions problems aren't what bothers me so much as the fact that they built a huge part of their business on a cheat.
I like diesels, so this is pretty infuriating. A lot of VW competitors opted not to offer a diesel in the US knowing that they could not offer one that beat VW's mileage or costs and still meet emissions. Since they got caught we've seen Chevrolet, GMC, Ford, and Mazda announce that they are bringing their foreign market diesels to the US for mainstream cars - all with DEF injection.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:25 pm to member12
Sure. My point is that the car is not the problem. It logistically makes no sense to remove cars from the road that have little to no impact. Someone should compare the impact of enforcing the penalty to the environmental impact of leaving them there. The net difference can't be that much. Punish the company, hard. Sure. Erase the car's existence from the planet as a message to anyone else that wants to try that? Seems like repressed anger.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:27 pm to fr33manator
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There was nothing wrong with the cars other than them not getting quite as good emissions standards as they advertised, right?
What a waste. More government idiocy.
Vw willingly ripped off tens of thousands of customers but yea it's the governments fault. Was a buyback the best solution? Idk. But I blame VW before anyone else.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:31 pm to REG861
Unless someone was buying the car with the environmental smugness of a hybrid owner, I am not sure how they got ripped off. Misled/lied to about its emissions, yes.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:34 pm to Street Hawk
Unfrigginbelievable. All cars that get better mileage that the vast majority of cars on the road.
The government...
The government...
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:52 pm to EA6B
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Compared to the number of cars scrapped in a given year this is totally insignificant. One of the companies that scrap cars that have been totaled by insurance companies processes 14,000 cars per month at their Houston facility,
This is a dumb statement. They are scrapping 475,000 fully functional cars. It's a huge economic waste.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:55 pm to Cypdog
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My point is that the car is not the problem. It logistically makes no sense to remove cars from the road that have little to no impact
I agree. I actually think our emissions standards are too strict for diesels. VW should have followed the rules that their competitors adhered to....but not allowing them to sell the buy backed cars to foreign markets with less strict emissions is a ridiculous Obama-era overreach by the EPA.
The cars start, run, and are safe. If they meet emissions requirements in Mexico or Columbia, they should be sold there. That's not our business IMO.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:56 pm to Cypdog
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Misled/lied to about its emissions, yes.
...to give them a competitive advantage. The cheating in the frame of gaining a competitive advantage within the automobile marketplace bothers me more than the cheating on some bullshite emission requirement.
The thought of destroying a half million functioning automobiles also disturbs me. We could have penalized VW and still allowed them to export them to other right hand drive markets as used cars.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:57 pm to Cypdog
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Misled/lied to about its emissions, yes.
Show of hands...who really gives 2 shits about emissions?
Fuel economy and power? Sure.
I never have and never will buy a car for "low emissions"
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:59 pm to fr33manator
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Show of hands...who really gives 2 shits about emissions?
I think our emissions requirements for diesels were stupid.
Cheating to gain a competitive advantage is an economic cheat. Regardless of my stance on our emissions requirements....that is not okay and it has to be penalized.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 6:01 pm to Evolved Simian
They didn't have to refund the taxes did they?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 6:08 pm to LSUBoo
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Not really.
Thousands and thousands of cars sit in junkyards all over the world.
So do planes, and boats.
Not late model, operational vehicles.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 6:12 pm to fr33manator
I agree. They still have decent emissions right? What makes them worse than the shitty 91 ford ranger I see every morning with zero exhaust
Posted on 3/29/17 at 6:38 pm to fr33manator
I bought for fuel economy , really loved my Passat but the offer to sell it back for damn near what I paid for it 80,000 miles later was too good to pass up
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:16 pm to NYCAuburn
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The only decisions from competitors to keep diesels out of US would be either market viability/cost or EPA, most of the time it's the EPA
And you know this how?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:44 pm to Street Hawk
We leased an airport in NY after Sandy. Had 50k vehicles on the property at one point. All flooded, VW will Reprogram these units and run them through our auctions with a modification announcement. They'll bring book value, diesel VWs bring the money
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:56 pm to Winston Cup
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What happened to the roof?
The roof was like several others of the era. It was tarp like and had to be "inflated" with positive air pressure inside the entirety of the dome. Since keeping it with positive air pressure meant running HVAC units, etc. at a high cost to the city of Pontiac, they elected to discontinue the electrical running, thus the roof delfated. Then it snowed, rained, etc. on the roof causing it to collapse.
Video of Silverdome's deteriorated condition YouTube
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