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Does Houston have too much concrete?
Posted by LSUFanHouston on 8/27/17 at 3:28 pm1737
The amount of rain right now is beyond epic and would overwhelm any system.
This is basically the third time in three years (and the worse of the three) where there has been major flooding in Houston.
Houston's drainage system is pretty natural - lots of green space to soak up water, water drains into tiny creeks and bayous, which flow into larger ones, which eventually make their way to the Brazos River or Galveston Bay. (And a few others, but those are the major ones).
You also have some resovoir / flood control structures that hold water back from entering into the major bayous... but most of those structures are on the outskirts of the area.
Every time you build, you are making the natural drainage less effective. To combat this, you need to do retention work, or you need to invest in additional drainage structures.
Having lived there for a number of years, I never felt that the measures taken (build a pond here, etc) were nearly enough to compensate for all the development going on. A lack of zoning and a general desire of small government seem to make this happen.
Everyone likes to bash NOLA for their drainage issues. Lots of people say we should not rebuild in certain areas of NOLA. Once the immediate emergency is over, is it time we start looking at the issues for Houston?
This is basically the third time in three years (and the worse of the three) where there has been major flooding in Houston.
Houston's drainage system is pretty natural - lots of green space to soak up water, water drains into tiny creeks and bayous, which flow into larger ones, which eventually make their way to the Brazos River or Galveston Bay. (And a few others, but those are the major ones).
You also have some resovoir / flood control structures that hold water back from entering into the major bayous... but most of those structures are on the outskirts of the area.
Every time you build, you are making the natural drainage less effective. To combat this, you need to do retention work, or you need to invest in additional drainage structures.
Having lived there for a number of years, I never felt that the measures taken (build a pond here, etc) were nearly enough to compensate for all the development going on. A lack of zoning and a general desire of small government seem to make this happen.
Everyone likes to bash NOLA for their drainage issues. Lots of people say we should not rebuild in certain areas of NOLA. Once the immediate emergency is over, is it time we start looking at the issues for Houston?
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by Cosmo on 8/27/17 at 3:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
Uh, Id say 4 feet of rain is the bigger problem
You cant plan for that
You cant plan for that
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by Ed Osteen on 8/27/17 at 3:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
Everyone likes to bash NOLA for their drainage issues. Lots of people say we should not rebuild in certain areas of NOLA.
You do understand the logistical issues between the two right? One city is built 75' on a bayou and the other is below sea level
This post was edited on 8/27 at 3:31 pm
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by 50_Tiger on 8/27/17 at 3:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
THere is no drainage system or plan in the world that would of stopped this from happening.
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by c on z on 8/27/17 at 3:33 pm to LSUFanHouston
I never thought a road could be totally washed away in a mostly flat place like Houston with the drainage exposed.
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by LSUFanHouston on 8/27/17 at 3:37 pm to 50_Tiger
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THere is no drainage system or plan in the world that would of stopped this from happening.
Understand that.
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I hear a lot of stuff about how we should let NOLA go because it's too close to the coast and natural disasters.
I just wonder, if we can't build drainage for this stuff... maybe we need to build smarter.
Houston has had this flood (500 year? 1000 year?) and 2 100 year floods in three years.
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by baldona on 8/27/17 at 3:42 pm to LSUFanHouston
Well we also need to realize that "100" year and "500" year flood is basically scientific projections with tons of room for error. It's not like Europe where we have records of this crap for more than 250 years. Just because it hasn't flooded in 50 years doesn't mean that area just had a streak of good luck, or a flood this year could be a 500 year flood and not happen again for 500 years.
But the one for sure thing is without a doubt as the human population grows flooding will be a growing issue. I'm not sure there's a whole lot you can do outside of build high and plan to rebuild when the shite hits the fan.
But the one for sure thing is without a doubt as the human population grows flooding will be a growing issue. I'm not sure there's a whole lot you can do outside of build high and plan to rebuild when the shite hits the fan.
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by Ed Osteen on 8/27/17 at 3:44 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I hear a lot of stuff about how we should let NOLA go because it's too close to the coast and natural disasters.
yeah, do yourself a favor and stop listening to morons
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by rattlebucket on 8/27/17 at 3:44 pm to LSUFanHouston
9 trillion gallons estimated so far. That fills Great Salt lake...twice. Then more rain to come. Im sure some folks whos paw paw never flooded will.
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re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by biglego on 8/27/17 at 3:45 pm to LSUFanHouston
Yes, there's too much concrete. Less soil to soak up water. This is an acknowledged fact.
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by Chuker on 8/27/17 at 3:46 pm to LSUFanHouston
yeah thats it Einstein. If they had more grass and trees it would've absorbed all the rain.
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by EmperorGout on 8/27/17 at 3:48 pm to LSUFanHouston
You have a point - and Houston has spent decades building thousands of homes on designated flood plains. Lax zoning laws are great for growth but don't pretend like there isn't a cost.
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by EmperorGout on 8/27/17 at 3:51 pm to Chuker
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eah thats it Einstein. If they had more grass and trees it would've absorbed all the rain.
that's more or less exactly what coastal marsh does, actually
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy on 8/27/17 at 3:53 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:
There is no drainage system or plan in the world that would of stopped this from happening.
This x 1,000,000
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by DaBike on 8/27/17 at 3:58 pm to LSUFanHouston
yes it does
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by monceaux on 8/27/17 at 4:03 pm to EmperorGout
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You have a point - and Houston has spent decades building thousands of homes on designated flood plains. Lax zoning laws are great for growth but don't pretend like there isn't a cost.
Houston was faced with the dirty side of a Cat 4 hurricane with a perfect eye that was moving 6-8 mph that never moved more than 90 miles inland and faces a high pressure zone in the panhandle as well.
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by EmperorGout on 8/27/17 at 4:07 pm to monceaux
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Houston was faced with the dirty side of a Cat 4 hurricane with a perfect eye that was moving 6-8 mph that never moved more than 90 miles inland and faces a high pressure zone in the panhandle as well.
Two things can be true at once:
Houston was faced with a flood of biblical proportions for which no infrastructure could be remotely sufficient
AND
the development choices of south Texas will make flooding worse than it would have been otherwise
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by Cdawg on 8/27/17 at 4:09 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
Having lived there for a number of years, I never felt that the measures taken (build a pond here, etc) were nearly enough to compensate for all the development going on. A lack of zoning and a general desire of small government seem to make this happen.
Lack of zoning? This has nothing to do with it. Go try and get a permit to build in Houston or surrounding areas without a plan for storm management.
re: Does Houston have too much concrete?Posted by zuluboudreaux on 8/27/17 at 4:45 pm to LSUFanHouston
Not that it matters in this situation but the "experts" on TV were saying that the soil around Houston is mostly a clay mix and does not absorb water like other areas.
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