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Dad pulls gun to stop son from being removed from life support, saves son's life

Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:38 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:38 pm
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A father took a gun into hospital to stop doctors taking his son off life support - and during the three-hour stand-off the young man squeezed his hand.
The sign that he wasn't brain dead meant he was kept alive - and he is now recovering and doing well.



Dad is facing some serious jail time. But he did save his son's life.

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Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:41 pm to
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he did save his son's life


I mean I get that part of it, but anytime you enter a 3 HOUR standoff, with a gun...in a hospital...you deserve some pretty serious punishment.

Good for the son though.

eta: what was it that so convinced the dad that son was alive when apparently doctors thought it was over?
This post was edited on 12/23/15 at 2:42 pm
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:42 pm to
Hospital staff and police officers should be charged with attempted murder.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:42 pm to
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Darth_Vader


I found him


(someone had a thread looking for you earlier)

Posted by therick711
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:42 pm to
I am not a Texas gun law expert, but he might avoid punishment since he can argue that he used the force reasonably necessary and calculated to save a life. A very interesting case, should it go to trial.
Posted by purpleleaf
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:42 pm to
judge will let this go.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:43 pm to
Need more details.

You arent allowed to pull someone off life support unless the power of attorney grants it, doctors cant just do it because they want to.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:43 pm to
The DA should drop the charges. No jury should convict him for saving his son's life.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:43 pm to
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I am not a Texas gun law expert, but he might avoid punishment since he can argue that he used the force reasonably necessary and calculated to save a life. A very interesting case, should it go to trial.


Never thought of it that way but that is very interesting.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:43 pm to
I had a friend in a bad bike wreck die after being pulled off support, they declared him brain dead and pulled the plug an hour later.

I always wondered though.
Posted by CadesCove
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:45 pm to
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A very interesting case, should it go to trial.


No self-respecting DA in TX will go hard on this. They will probably wait until the hubub dies down and let it quietly die. He might get a slap on the wrist. If Gary Plauche can shoot his kid's killer on live TV and walk, this guy will be ok.
Posted by 1234567k
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:45 pm to
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I mean I get that part of it, but anytime you enter a 3 HOUR standoff, with a gun...in a hospital...you deserve some pretty serious punishment.


Yea you are rt he shoulda let nazis kill his son
Posted by jvilletiger25
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:46 pm to
John Q
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:46 pm to
His mother and brother granted permission, dad and mom are divorced so dad had no say
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:46 pm to
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Need more details.

You arent allowed to pull someone off life support unless the power of attorney grants it, doctors cant just do it because they want to.



According to the story the mom had already signed off on it.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:46 pm to
Ah
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:46 pm to
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Never thought of it that way but that is very interesting.


It is. While making no value judgment, in Louisiana, citizens can use deadly force to protect innocent people in certain situations. I would imagine Texas would provide a similar privilege to its citizens.

See La. R.S. § 14:19

quote:

Use of force or violence in defense
A.(1) The use of force or violence upon the person of another is justifiable under either of the following circumstances:
(a) When committed for the purpose of preventing a forcible offense against the person or a forcible offense or trespass against property in a person's lawful possession, provided that the force or violence used must be reasonable and apparently necessary to prevent such offense.
(b)(i) When committed by a person lawfully inside a dwelling, a place of business, or a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40) when the conflict began, against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, and the person using the force or violence reasonably believes that the use of force or violence is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder to leave the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.
(ii) The provisions of this Paragraph shall not apply when the person using the force or violence is engaged, at the time of the use of force or violence in the acquisition of, the distribution of, or possession of, with intent to distribute a controlled dangerous substance in violation of the provisions of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law.
(2) The provisions of Paragraph (1) of this Section shall not apply where the force or violence results in a homicide.
B. For the purposes of this Section, there shall be a presumption that a person lawfully inside a dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle held a reasonable belief that the use of force or violence was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the premises or motor vehicle, if both of the following occur:
(1) The person against whom the force or violence was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.
(2) The person who used force or violence knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred.
C. A person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and who is in a place where he or she has a right to be shall have no duty to retreat before using force or violence as provided for in this Section and may stand his or her ground and meet force with force.
D. No finder of fact shall be permitted to consider the possibility of retreat as a factor in determining whether or not the person who used force or violence in defense of his person or property had a reasonable belief that force or violence was reasonable and apparently necessary to prevent a forcible offense or to prevent the unlawful entry.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:47 pm to
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According to the story the mom had already signed off on it.


Well, I guess we know who wins the "Who loves you more?" debate.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:47 pm to
Down vote


Didn't read
Posted by Ryan3232
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:48 pm to
Damn well that makes the mom look like a giant count.

Still need more details though
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