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re: Creationist Ken Ham blames atheists and ‘fake news’ for failing Ark Encounter theme park
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:01 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:01 pm to DavidTheGnome
Maybe it's just ugly and a dumb idea 
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:01 pm to DavidTheGnome
I bet you hate it when your mom won't let you wear your fedora to church
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:02 pm to bird35
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Attendance is good, the county's problem is that visitors are not spending money in the town the ark is near.
I went on a Thursday in April and it was crowded. I was surprised by the number of people there.
But the town it is near Williamsburg has very little to offer in terms of hotels or restaurants.
We staid and ate in Cincinnati.
That is good and it is always good when something opens and becomes successful, however; I am just saying I don't really agree with tax dollars going towards something religious in nature,
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:10 pm to Cold Drink
No they are not. Had to argue with people in Livingston Parish about this when they built Bass Pro. Bass Pro wanted a tax break on the taxes they collected to pay for part of the building cost. People flipped their shite claiming that the schools were going to lose money. But what actually happened is that the EXTRA money generated a smaller amount of EXTRA tax revenue for the first ten years. Sure, the revenue would have been even higher had Bass Pro just not been given the tax breaks, but they probably would've built elsewhere; which would've caused a zero increase in tax revenue.
We can argue the merits of government incentives as it pertains to economic growth and development (I'm more against it than I'm for it, by the way), but that is a wholly separate issue than the question I originally asked.
We can argue the merits of government incentives as it pertains to economic growth and development (I'm more against it than I'm for it, by the way), but that is a wholly separate issue than the question I originally asked.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:12 pm to OweO
I've been wanting to go to the ark. Looks neat. Probably huge in person, and it was built to the exact specs of the Bible. Only thing that scared me away was the price to get in. Too steep. $29.95 would be acceptable, but not $40
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:15 pm to CatsGoneWild
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I've been wanting to go to the ark. Looks neat. Probably huge in person, and it was built to the exact specs of the Bible. Only thing that scared me away was the price to get in. Too steep. $29.95 would be acceptable, but not $40
Can't be any worse than the Crazy Horse monument in South Dakota. I went there 13 years ago and it still looks the same today as it dd back then. That place is a giant ripoff/money laundering scheme.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:15 pm to DavidTheGnome
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92 million
Is that the dollar figure or the number of shityy threads you're starting tonigh?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:18 pm to DavidTheGnome
It's a horrible idea from an economic prospective.
This attraction would have done well in the 1st half of the 20th century. Even more so during economic booms. People would have come in droves. Beliefs have gradually changed and taken a good portion of the traffic away since then.
Even the target market is not interested in making a long trip to see something that's frankly not very exciting.
Ham has tried to turn a roadside attraction at best into a theme park experience. It's failing as expected.
This attraction would have done well in the 1st half of the 20th century. Even more so during economic booms. People would have come in droves. Beliefs have gradually changed and taken a good portion of the traffic away since then.
Even the target market is not interested in making a long trip to see something that's frankly not very exciting.
Ham has tried to turn a roadside attraction at best into a theme park experience. It's failing as expected.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:18 pm to OweO
quote:You live in a country where you've been brainwashed into thinking they are supposed to be separate.
Just because we live in a country in which state a religion are suppose to be separate.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:22 pm to Cold Drink
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It's literally the same thing.
Someone getting a $50k tax break is the exact same thing as no tax break + the government writing them a $50k check. Drives me crazy that people don't understand this. I'm not even opining on the wisdom of anything, just that people don't understand that there is no difference between the government collecting then spending or not collecting in the first place. The balance sheets are identical.
Jesus Christ, people that think like you are fricking stupid. The point in a tax incentive is to lure a business that otherwise would NOT be located in the jurisdiction. THE MONEY WOULD NOT EXIST if it didn't come, and still doesn't.
The principle is entirely dissimilar from writing someone a check and spending funds already in your possession.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:23 pm to airfernando
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You live in a country where you've been brainwashed into thinking they are supposed to be separate.
Brainwashed? Wow.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:27 pm to Evolved Simian
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The point in a tax incentive is to lure a business that otherwise would NOT be located in the jurisdiction.
Shouldn't the free market dictate where a business decides to build?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:27 pm to Evolved Simian
What is wrong with the government paying for a religious building?
The U.S. Supreme Court will rule tomorrow that this is acceptable.
The U.S. Supreme Court will rule tomorrow that this is acceptable.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:31 pm to airfernando
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You live in a country where you've been brainwashed into thinking they are supposed to be separate.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
There are 2 clauses in that sentence. What do you think the first one means?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:32 pm to Chiefagain
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Whrn that flood comes I'll be the first in line to say, "you were right". Until then, what a fricking moron.
it will be too late. might as well double down then. or change your life now.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:34 pm to bayoumuscle21
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Whrn that flood comes I'll be the first in line to say, "you were right". Until then, what a fricking moron.
There won't be another flood, God promised us that.
I dont think anybody thinks this guy did it for another flood, he is just trying to mock Christians.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:35 pm to airfernando
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You live in a country where you've been brainwashed into thinking they are supposed to be separate.
Uhhh, they are
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:36 pm to Amazing Moves
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Brainwashed? Wow.
every attended a public school? it is brainwashing.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:37 pm to dbeck
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Shouldn't the free market dictate where a business decides to build?
maybe in the 18th century. last time capitalism was relevant in America
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:39 pm to Collegedropout
Our nation was predicated on unalienable rights with governance through family, church and community, each rightfully sovereign within its sphere. Human dignity, legal equality and personal freedom reflect biblical values imparted on Western Civilization, which retains these values in secular form while expunging their Author from public discourse.
Americans are frequently reminded of what the revisionists deem our greatest achievement: “Separation of Church and State.” Crosses are ripped down in parks. Prayer has been banished from schools and the ACLU rampages to remove “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance. Moreover, “Separation of Church and State” is nowhere found in the Constitution or any other founding legislation. Our forefathers would never countenance the restrictions on religion exacted today.
The phrase “separation of church and state” was initially coined by Baptists striving for religious toleration in Virginia, whose official state religion was then Anglican (Episcopalian). Baptists thought government limitations against religion illegitimate. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson championed their cause.
The preamble in Act Establishing Religious Freedom in Virginia (1786), affirms that “the Author of our Religion gave us our ‘free will.’” And that He “chose not to propagate it by coercions.” This legislation certainly did not diminish religious influence on government for it also provided stiff penalties for conducting business on the Sabbath.
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Nor did the Constitution inhibit public displays of faith. At ratification, a majority of the thirteen several and sovereign states maintained official religions. The early Republic welcomed public worship. Church services were held in the U.S. Capitol and Treasury buildings every Sunday. The imagery in many federal buildings remains unmistakably biblical.
The day after the First Amendment’s passage, Congress proclaimed a national day of prayer and thanksgiving. The inaugural Congress was largely comprised by those who drafted the Constitution. It reflects incredible arrogance to reconfigure the Bill of Rights into prohibiting religious displays on public grounds. Hanging the Ten Commandments on the wall of a county courthouse no more mandates religion than judges displaying the banner of their favorite sports team somehow equates to Congress establishing that team as preeminent.
Our forefathers never sought to evict the church from society. They recognized that the several states did not share uniform values. We lived and worshipped differently. The framers were a diverse bunch with wildly divergent opinions on many issues, but eliminating the very foundations of America’s heritage would have horrified them. On few issues was there more unanimity.
Where the French Revolution and its official policy of “De-Christianization” quickly devolved into bloodshed and oppression, here freedom flourished. Our independence was seen as the culmination of a march toward liberty, not a rejection of America’s historical cultural moorings. Our forbears embraced tradition and left local autonomy largely intact.
Schools, courts and the public square were often overtly Christian and had been since their colonial beginnings. Few Americans would have tolerated a coercive central government infringing on their rights to post religious symbols on local schools, courts or anywhere else.
Americans built society from the ground up. Many had fled oppression. The colonies instituted local self-government indigenously to confirm the rights resident in their persons and property. Few would have willingly been dispossessed by Washington of the very freedoms which they had just secured from London.
Here men could and did rise as their efforts merited. Commoners were unshackled from feudal paralysis and freed to find God individually. Both the economy and church thrived. Alexis de Tocqueville observed that Americans intertwined individual liberty with vibrant faith. “It is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other.”
Even non-Christian founders thought religion essential. None would have wished to upend the very basis for education, law or culture. The Northwest Ordinance of 1787 states: “Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.”
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Read the rest: LINK
sorry guys, that guy is right. there is no requirement to separate the church from the state.
Americans are frequently reminded of what the revisionists deem our greatest achievement: “Separation of Church and State.” Crosses are ripped down in parks. Prayer has been banished from schools and the ACLU rampages to remove “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance. Moreover, “Separation of Church and State” is nowhere found in the Constitution or any other founding legislation. Our forefathers would never countenance the restrictions on religion exacted today.
The phrase “separation of church and state” was initially coined by Baptists striving for religious toleration in Virginia, whose official state religion was then Anglican (Episcopalian). Baptists thought government limitations against religion illegitimate. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson championed their cause.
The preamble in Act Establishing Religious Freedom in Virginia (1786), affirms that “the Author of our Religion gave us our ‘free will.’” And that He “chose not to propagate it by coercions.” This legislation certainly did not diminish religious influence on government for it also provided stiff penalties for conducting business on the Sabbath.
ADVERTISING
inRead invented by Teads
Nor did the Constitution inhibit public displays of faith. At ratification, a majority of the thirteen several and sovereign states maintained official religions. The early Republic welcomed public worship. Church services were held in the U.S. Capitol and Treasury buildings every Sunday. The imagery in many federal buildings remains unmistakably biblical.
The day after the First Amendment’s passage, Congress proclaimed a national day of prayer and thanksgiving. The inaugural Congress was largely comprised by those who drafted the Constitution. It reflects incredible arrogance to reconfigure the Bill of Rights into prohibiting religious displays on public grounds. Hanging the Ten Commandments on the wall of a county courthouse no more mandates religion than judges displaying the banner of their favorite sports team somehow equates to Congress establishing that team as preeminent.
Our forefathers never sought to evict the church from society. They recognized that the several states did not share uniform values. We lived and worshipped differently. The framers were a diverse bunch with wildly divergent opinions on many issues, but eliminating the very foundations of America’s heritage would have horrified them. On few issues was there more unanimity.
Where the French Revolution and its official policy of “De-Christianization” quickly devolved into bloodshed and oppression, here freedom flourished. Our independence was seen as the culmination of a march toward liberty, not a rejection of America’s historical cultural moorings. Our forbears embraced tradition and left local autonomy largely intact.
Schools, courts and the public square were often overtly Christian and had been since their colonial beginnings. Few Americans would have tolerated a coercive central government infringing on their rights to post religious symbols on local schools, courts or anywhere else.
Americans built society from the ground up. Many had fled oppression. The colonies instituted local self-government indigenously to confirm the rights resident in their persons and property. Few would have willingly been dispossessed by Washington of the very freedoms which they had just secured from London.
Here men could and did rise as their efforts merited. Commoners were unshackled from feudal paralysis and freed to find God individually. Both the economy and church thrived. Alexis de Tocqueville observed that Americans intertwined individual liberty with vibrant faith. “It is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other.”
Even non-Christian founders thought religion essential. None would have wished to upend the very basis for education, law or culture. The Northwest Ordinance of 1787 states: “Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.”
Part 1 of 3
Read the rest: LINK
sorry guys, that guy is right. there is no requirement to separate the church from the state.
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