re: Cleveland Riots - "bystanders" being attacked

Why are the rioters attacking innocent bystanders?

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You said they were grown men. The passenger, who was also shot repeatedly and killed, was a thirty year old woman. One man, one woman.

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He pretty much proved his lack of knowledge about anything pages ago.

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You're exactly right. I never see blacks protesting when blacks kill each other in drive by shootings or in any other way. They don't seem to give a shite about that, imo.

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The only reason that they are rioting is because it was a WHITE cop

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Please, for future reference, don't use this argument or response. It marginalizes a lot of your otherwise valid points. Everyone has sped at some point, had a few too many to drink and gotten behind the wheel, or done (or still uses) drugs.

However, to equate that to a lot of the situations that result in these shootings is asinine. I say "a lot" because there are incidents (more that many on here would like to admit), where police brutality is a response to a minor infraction. But a 100 mile an hour chase shouldn't be equated to the type of "breaking the law" that you're talking about.

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I agree that they are not the same.

However some are arguing that they got what they deserved because they broke the law. Breaking the law does not warrant killing.

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But they were armed..... with a vehicle weighing over 1000 lbs. and they had projected their intent to harm both the cops and any civilians who got in the way.

Regardless what you think, feel, or believe, high speed chases/evading at high speed IS in fact deadly force. Hitting/ramming a cop car on purpose is beyond stupid, that's all but asking for 'suicide-by-cop'.

You meet deadly force with equal, or greater, violence of action. What that last cop did was over the top and I do not condone what he did, but the cops were left with little other choice from what I've seen on this so far. Did the police, as a whole, use 'too much' force......? It appears that way to me, but you play stupid games with the police, you'll win stupid prizes.

As for the rioting, those are the trash of their race looking for ANY excuse to loot and pillage their own hood. They'll be winning some stupid prizes of their own me thinks.

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I am going to assume you also have not actually read the story and are going on what you read on this message board.

Please read. LINK

The cops opened fire based on a supposed "backfire" before the driver tried to use his car as weapon. They opened fire as they entered the lot the man was trying to escape with his life at that point.

None of this excuses his attempt at evasion but this was a screwed up shoot that should have never happened. In case clicking on the link and reading is too dificult here is an exerp.

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Timothy’s Malibu had a history of engine woes, and as he drove away from officer Jordan, his car backfired just as he passed another police vehicle near the city’s jail. The officer at that vehicle mistook the backfire for a gunshot.

Cleveland Police Officer Vasile Nan dispatched on the police department’s radio, “Popped a round off right as he drove by us. Use caution. Occupants are armed .”

For the next 22 minutes, Timothy Russell led police on a chase reaching speeds of 100 mph. When he pulled into the staff parking lot of the Heritage Middle School, he ran into a dead end. Police officer Wilfredo Diaz took the first shots at the Malibu. However, the other officers in the pursuit did not know it was Diaz and assumed it was Timothy and/or his passenger. It resulted in a situation of cross-fire where police shot into other police cars.

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I've certainly addressed the police problem.

But I've tried to stay on topic in this thread, which is rioters attacking innocent bystanders. You and a few others apparently refuse to acknowledge this.

I have not made one racist comment or race reference. I've stated that there is a problem with police overstepping their bounds in this country. But I've also acknowledged that most cops aren't bad. If they were, there would be thousands if these type of killings daily.

If you want to discuss the police problem, start a thread about it. However, I really don't have anything to say other than what I've said, repeatedly, in this thread. There is a problem with police in this country, but it doesn't justify rioting.

Oh, and if someone tries to run me over with their car, they're getting shot. I'm not a cop, but I am a concealed carry permit holder. I have the right to use deadly force if I fear for my life. You have yet to acknowledge the police chase and the fact that the perps tried to use their car as a deadly weapon. This case is fricked up all around. Neither the perps or the cops were justified in their actions. Maybe if they would have pulled over instead of running...they would still be alive.




I'm tired of repeating myself. You apparently have the reading comprehension of a 4 year old. You refuse to answer questions. It's like arguing with a child. You've made no valid points, in relation to the topic of this thread.

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So you don't believe it has any racially charged aspect to it?

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Of course it does. The media is remiss also in not reporting the facts. If a group of high school children who are on the chess team are constantly bombarded with media and leaders telling them that chess players are treated poorly, held back, and discriminated against, they will eventually believe it. Some will quit the chess club and assimilate into the tiddlywink club, and prosper.

If the leaders continue to profit off of chess baiting, it is only a question of how vicious the circle is going to become.

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Dude emptied his gun through the windshield on 2 unarmed men. Their vehicle was stopped.

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Don't forget, Rambo jumped on the hood of the car after it was stopped and officers had already put over 100 rounds of bullets into the car. He then unloaded 15 more shots.

The protesters have no reason to attack bystanders. See how that's done? You can disagree with the protesters and see that the cop was a POS.

Cleveland is a complete shite hole so who cares if they riot?