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CHEAT SWITCH: The Ingolstadt Apocalypse (First VW, now Audi)
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:22 am
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:22 am
Some 1.42 million Audi vehicles with so-called EU5 engines are affected in Western Europe, with 577,000 in Germany and almost 13,000 in the United States, a spokesman added.
Audi said 2.1 million cars worldwide were fitted with the software that allowed parent Volkswagen to cheat US emission tests.
Some 1.42 million Audi vehicles with so-called EU5 engines are affected in Western Europe, with 577,000 in Germany and almost 13,000 in the United States, a spokesman for Ingolstadt-based Audi added today.
Affected model lines include the A1, A3, A4, A5, A6, TT, Q3 and Q5, the spokesman said.
Former Porshe boss Matthias Mueller has been employed to deal with the aftermath of the "cheat switch" revelations.
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:42 am to Dandy Lion
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First VW, now Audi
VW owns Audi, so this is really not a surprise.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:44 am to Dandy Lion
It's only the beginning. VW is surely not the only on doing this.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:45 am to Pax Regis
They aren't. The EPA is about to wreck shop on any foreign company producing diesels for the U.S. market.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:49 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
*crosses fingers*
Please not FCA, please not FCA.
Please not FCA, please not FCA.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:29 am to jordan21210
The EPA hates diesels for some unknown reason. I guess it's because it actually makes sense to use them. EPA likes things to be as net-negative as possible
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:35 am to Dandy Lion
Bosch has their ducks in a row.
They manufactured the cheat switch box but specifically warned VW not to use it in cheat mode for emissions testing.
They manufactured the cheat switch box but specifically warned VW not to use it in cheat mode for emissions testing.
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 10:35 am
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:38 am to soccerfüt
Somebody's glad they kept that email.
I still haven't heard anything about what Volkswagen plans to do about current owners.
I still haven't heard anything about what Volkswagen plans to do about current owners.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:41 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Interwebz talk is because GM is trying to get in the diesel market.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:42 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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The EPA hates diesels for some unknown reason. I guess it's because it actually makes sense to use them. EPA likes things to be as net-negative as possible
As a scientist, I have worked on and for some diesel emissions products and testing assignments at the state level. You wouldn't believe how ridiculously flawed some of the approved materials are at the state level. It is almost as if someone was getting money under the table or something. Maybe the EPA recognizes this and is trying to set standards that are actually real.
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:43 am to jordan21210
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VW owns Audi
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:47 am to AUCE05
Wouldn't surprise me at all. Government Motors is pissed because diesel Cruze sales are somewhere around zero while Volkswagen continues to have 100% market share on diesel car sales. Calls EPA and asks how they can humble those pesky Germans. EPA says "don't worry government motors, we got this shite"
It's not that far fetched to imagine. I think it's more of the EPA being clueless and a disaster of an organization.
It's not that far fetched to imagine. I think it's more of the EPA being clueless and a disaster of an organization.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:49 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:This is almost a compliment to them.
I think it's more of the EPA being clueless and a disaster of an organization.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:53 am to soccerfüt
I don't think they understand how engines work.
I'm confident that the reason Volkswagen failed is because EPA did a piss poor job of writing the standard and Volkswagen technically complied with it, and the EPA realized they fricked up and decided to change the interpretation of their fricked up rule. I've seen that happen before.
I'm confident that the reason Volkswagen failed is because EPA did a piss poor job of writing the standard and Volkswagen technically complied with it, and the EPA realized they fricked up and decided to change the interpretation of their fricked up rule. I've seen that happen before.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:58 am to Dandy Lion
In my experience, cheating has been rampant over the years.
I've seen firsthand that companies introduce substances into their testing materials at testing labs in order to generate better emissions results.
I hope that the EPA does due diligence on this and takes a serious look at some of the state testing that goes on.
I've seen firsthand that companies introduce substances into their testing materials at testing labs in order to generate better emissions results.
I hope that the EPA does due diligence on this and takes a serious look at some of the state testing that goes on.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:54 am to Flame Salamander
VW is a very cash rich company. If the government fine on VW is igher than GM or Toyota, whose vehicles resulted in deaths, then it's an obvious cash grab. I'm not defending VW though.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:40 pm to Dandy Lion
The Audi TT came with a diesel or does this cover more than just diesels?
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:45 pm to fightin tigers
TT EU5 engine
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EU5 European Union Five (France, Germany, Italy, Spain, United Kingdom)
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The company says only diesel models have the software fitted: including the Audi A1 and A3, with the Eu5 1.6 TDI engine, and the Audi A4, A5, A6, Audi TT, Q3 and Q5 models, with the 2.0 TDI engine.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 1:09 pm to Dandy Lion
I still don't understand the liability that is being cited for vehicles that aren't sold in the US. The liability and associated fines should be limited to those models sold in the U.S., right?
Posted on 9/28/15 at 3:33 pm to madmaxvol
IIRC the EU has similar restrictions. Cheating in either place breaks the law and results in fines or worse.
Someone is probably going to prison. VW is busy figuring out who right now. I pity every pissant mid-level emissions engineer in their organization right now. I hope some folks have been dutifully deleting their email boxes on the reg.
Someone is probably going to prison. VW is busy figuring out who right now. I pity every pissant mid-level emissions engineer in their organization right now. I hope some folks have been dutifully deleting their email boxes on the reg.
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