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Changing out french patio doors...recommendations?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:49 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:49 am
We are changing out our wooden french patio doors because they were starting to rot at the bottom and water was beginning to leak in when it rained. We were originally going to replace them with a sliding vinyl patio door set (Ply-Gem brand at Home Depot, has some good reviews). The problem is the the old jamb is 4 1/2" with another almost 2" of spacers to fill the air gap in the brick wall. The installer recommends going to a door with a 6 1/4" jamb, so that less trim/moulding would have to be use to fill gaps and less caulking and spaces that would potentially leak. Now he is saying that it might be best to go with a set of fiberglass french doors to get the correct jamb size. What do you O-T carpenters think? Any of you guys have experience in replacing patio doors that want to chime in?
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 9:50 am
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:50 am to LSUperior
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hanging out french patio doors...recommendations
Sell the house. Buy new house with doors you desire
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:54 am to LSUperior
Good luck getting any frenchman to work. I'd just do it yourself.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:58 am to LSUperior
Why not just replace the doors themselves and this time make sure the underside is treated and painted? Change out the weatherstripping and threshold while you at it.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:01 am to LSUperior
Your contractor is definitely upping the bill with a different set of doors. Not sure why he can't use the doors you prefer with a wider jamb or just add jamb extensions to the jamb that comes with the Ply-gem doors. Jambs are currently available that are essentially 'no-rot', at least at the bottom, where almost all rot begins. Hard to say much more without looking at the opening.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:02 am to LSUperior
Replace them with new French doors. Replacing with vinyl sliding doors you buy at Home Depot seems like a downgrade, imo.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:08 am to LSUperior
Need to address the fact that enough water is getting to them so that they rot. Obviously it isn't a covered patio, but do you have gutters?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:17 am to Boudreaux35
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Need to address the fact that enough water is getting to them so that they rot. Obviously it isn't a covered patio, but do you have gutters?
Gutters will be installed in the next few weeks. But yes, that was the problem. Water was coming down the valley and hitting the bottom and splashing onto the bottom of the door every time it rained.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:18 am to LCA131
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Your contractor is definitely upping the bill with a different set of doors. Not sure why he can't use the doors you prefer with a wider jamb or just add jamb extensions to the jamb that comes with the Ply-gem doors. Jambs are currently available that are essentially 'no-rot', at least at the bottom, where almost all rot begins. Hard to say much more without looking at the opening.
The doors we originally wanted (sliding door) didn't come in that jamb with, 4 1/2" was the widest jamb it came with.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:19 am to 4WHLN
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Why not just replace the doors themselves and this time make sure the underside is treated and painted? Change out the weatherstripping and threshold while you at it.
Because the jambs were starting to rot too at the bottom on each side.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:20 am to Tigeralum2008
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Sell the house. Buy new house with doors you desire
Most OT response ever.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:23 am to 4WHLN
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replace the doors themselves
This is probably the best answer. I've replaced quite a few French doors that people just go pick up from Lowe's or home depot. They are typically prehung, tho, and I end up having to make the opening bigger. Especially on homes from the 80's or earlier. This will cost you a lot more.
So go to a door shop, have them come measure, and get some fiberglass doors.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:28 am to dbbuilder79
...just the slabs. Have them come out to measure the hinges and opening. A door shop will initially try and sell you a prehung door at a better price. They'll even quote you an install price with an **.
The ** will be for when they come to install and have to put in a new header, sheetrock, paint, and interior and exterior trim. So a $500-$800 job will end up $2,000 before you know it.
The ** will be for when they come to install and have to put in a new header, sheetrock, paint, and interior and exterior trim. So a $500-$800 job will end up $2,000 before you know it.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:30 am to LSUperior
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jambs were starting to rot
Oh...
Prepare thy anus, then.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:33 am to LSUperior
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The doors we originally wanted (sliding door) didn't come in that jamb with, 4 1/2" was the widest jamb it came with.
Then if he is sticking to the wider jamb install, the brick mold or interior trim will need to be removed and jamb extensions will need to be added. the interior trim may not even be on there. If the guy is much of a carpenter, this should not be that big of a deal.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:34 am to dbbuilder79
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Oh...
Prepare thy anus, then.
Yeah, that's what I figured!
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:44 am to LSUperior
Replace the French doors with new French doors. If you want the wood finish on the interior you can get doors that are encased in metal facing the exterior. But if you do not have a porch roof protecting the exterior from splashing rain, etc. then you might want to get all metal replacements. Buy high quality doors with a good energy rating. I would not get fiberglass doors for security reasons.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:12 am to LSUperior
Bought metal French Doors at Home Depot over 15 yrs ago. No problems
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:13 am to LSUperior
Take out the old doors, seal doorway with plywood, use another door for access.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:20 pm to LSUperior
If you've got the budget, and some wall space for the doors to pocket in to, I would go with something like this:
If you don't have the space for the pocket, go with something like this:
If you don't have the space for the pocket, go with something like this:
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