Biking/bicycles

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Or Surely Pacer

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The bike says Surly, which is it?!?!?!?

Exactly
Light is better
The surely is more expensive (around 1800$) vs 1200$ for the other one.

Giant should be a little more comfortable for everyday riding with the more relaxed frame style.

my buddy loves this Giant , but has had trouble with flat tires . recently bought gatorskin tires and it seems to have helped

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thoughts?

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for your usage, get the Giant

that Pacer is designed for touring, not weekend warrior type riding

I don't pay much attention to that. The ride weight of my bike is like 225, so the maximum stress weight is probably more than double that. Just don't go off 8" curbs.

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I'm always so scared of cracking my frame on the shitty Baton Rouge roads.

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what kind of bike? carbon isn't that easy to kill.

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I'm always so scared of cracking my frame on the shitty Baton Rouge roads.

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I wouldn't worry about cracking a frame due to roads. Your arse wouldn't be able to handle roads that are rough enough to crack the frame from normal use. Unless you are well above the weight limits, the only time I'd worry about damaging the bike is from a crash (which the bike is last thing on my mind in that instance).

And for 1800 bucks, I'd want at least 105 components. That's a lot to spend for a steel bike though. I think you can definitely get a carbon bike with those components in that range. I paid $1999 for my tri bike with dura ace mix components. I know you can find a road bike somewhere for a good deal in that range with top of the line components if you're willing to shop.

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Giant TCR Advanced 2

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that one is 1000$online though
Im not keen on being online, since you don't know what you might end up with.