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re: Biker Shootout at the Twin Peaks in Waco, TX
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:32 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:32 pm to Darth_Vader
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I understand there's a lot of confusion about this subject. And I think a lot of it comes from the public being very misinformed about the MC world. And one of the main things i try to do on here is to dispel a lot of the myths and outright lies told in the media.
The very simple answer is to simply use different words in discussing 2 very different groups. Motorcycle Gangs versus Motorcycle Clubs or Motorcycle Clubs versus Riding Clubs. I really don't care. They're just words. The problem with the confusion and the lumping together comes from the fact that it's actually bikers that are doing the lumping by allowing groups like the Bandidos to be a part of meetings like the COCI. Just don't call them a MC, call them a MG, and don't allow them to participate and I think it would eliminate the confusions. Until MC's do that, they really do bring it upon themselves when there is confusion.
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:37 pm to Old Sarge
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Any support club has a criminal nature.
True. In the MC world we call them "bitch clubs" because they do the bitch work, usually illegal, for the outlaw club they "support". That's how the big outlaw clubs keep their hands clean most of the time.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:40 pm to reedus23
MC's have a patch that is "earned" most support a larger criminal MC such as the Bandidos through dues and "errands" that prove loyalty. Maybe not all members of every MC is aware of what others in the MC due to keep their clubs standing with their overlords.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:49 pm to Old Sarge
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MC's have a patch that is "earned" most support a larger criminal MC such as the Bandidos through dues and "errands" that prove loyalty.
That's not actually true. Most MC's are totally independent of any other MC. Though there are a few exceptions, almost all "support" clubs will wear a patch like this....
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Maybe not all members of every MC is aware of what others in the MC due to keep their clubs standing with their overlords.
The big "outlaw" clubs only have direct control over their "support" clubs. But they do also in virtually every state, control the COC's. Remember how I've compared the COC's to being similar to the UN and each MC member is like country members of the UN. Well if that's the case, the big outlaw clubs play the role of the US, Russia, China and the rest of the permanent member's of the UN security council. This is why I've said before in this thread the COCs no longer function as they were intended but instead have for all intents and purposes been hijacked. The big clubs control the overall direction of each state's COC but they do not mettle in the individual member's internal affairs so long as the individual members do not interfere with the affairs of the big outlaw clubs.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:53 pm to reedus23
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When you commit a felony and someone dies during the commission of that felony, I do believe one of the potential punishments is death.
If you're talking about the ones who were shot at the scene...I'd suggest it was more than a bar fight or are you suggesting absolutely no one was armed? I question the cops in a lot of shootings. But there is absolutely nothing I see here that makes me question whether or not this was a good shoot.
Why would I suggest that nobody was armed? This is Texas man. Even little old grandmas have guns.
The cops story is a fight spilled out into the parking lot where the bikers started to shoot each other so they had to shoot them. Again, I am sorry but that just does not sound plausible when they would have all known there were a shite ton of cops outside of the restaurant.
The story just doesnt add up.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:54 pm to Darth_Vader
The biggest thing that confuses people is the fact that not all outlaw mc members are criminals. I know I'm going to hear the "why associate with them" argument and maybe just maybe if the people who use that argument would just understand that it's far more than the dark entity it's turned into they might understand.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:54 pm to Darth_Vader
The MC's that pay dues to be able to patch in the Bandidos territory, whether they wear a support patch or not are supporting.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:57 pm to Old Sarge
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The MC's that pay dues to be able to patch in the Bandidos territory, whether they were a support patch or not are supporting.
That might be how things are done in Texas. Looks like from this story the Cossaks were having to pay dues in order to fly a "Texas" bottom rocker. But that's not the norm in most states.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:58 pm to Old Sarge
Sarge I have a SYLB sticker on my bike, does that mean I do shite for them, no it means I know some guys who are patch holders and it opens the gates when I happen to be at a bike run or if I have a mechanical problem somewhere that I don't know anybody is all it does.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 5:00 pm to Agforlife
Sticker on a bike and patch on the vest are different things.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 5:03 pm to Old Sarge
Well I'm independent so I have no vest to sew a patch onto 
Posted on 5/26/15 at 5:05 pm to Agforlife
You can have mine since I no longer have a bike to ride when wearing it 
Posted on 5/26/15 at 5:09 pm to Darth_Vader
I didn't know the Cossacks were flying a Texas bottom rocker, like I said I've been out of that life for a minute, but they used to have city names on the bottom rocker.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 5:14 pm to Agforlife
Go back and read the article Iinked several days ago. Cossacks decided they wanted to wear the Texas rocker without paying dues to the Bandidos. This started the violent feud between them months ago. The Cossacks then showed up at the CoC after being warned by the Bandidos not to.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 5:15 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:But not to their faces
In the MC world we call them "bitch clubs"
.Posted on 5/26/15 at 5:23 pm to Old Sarge
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Go back and read the article Iinked several days ago. Cossacks decided they wanted to wear the Texas rocker without paying dues to the Bandidos. This started the violent feud between them months ago. The Cossacks then showed up at the CoC after being warned by the Bandidos not to.
Yeah I read all of that but it goes against every traditional thing in the MC world that I guess I didn't buy it
Posted on 5/26/15 at 6:37 pm to Agforlife
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Yeah I read all of that but it goes against every traditional thing in the MC world that I guess I didn't buy it
Yeah that's why I guessed this was a "Texas" thing. I've never heard of a club paying dues to another club to fly a certain bottom rocker.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 7:14 pm to Darth_Vader
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Yeah that's why I guessed this was a "Texas" thing. I've never heard of a club paying dues to another club to fly a certain bottom rocker.
Like I said I been out of it for awhile but who knows maybe the bandits decided they needed another revenue stream
I'd ask but I know I'd just get a blank stare or told to frick off 
Posted on 5/26/15 at 7:37 pm to Agforlife
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Well I'm independent so I have no vest to sew a patch onto
I'm independent and have a denim vest I wear sometimes in the summer when I need somewhere to stick my keys and wallet. I don't like sitting on a wallet even with a chain on it and don't have bags on my bike. Funny thing I almost didn't buy the vest because I didn't want to look like a poser then I realized I was just as stupid to care about appearances than those decked out in the SOA starter kit. The vest is actually awesome it keeps my shirt from riding up in the back or flapping up in the front and you don't sweat your balls off like you're wearing leather.
I did sew a FTW patch on the back just because I hate most things about this earth and wish we'd get hit by a meteorite every time I turn on the news or have to spend time in an airport with the general public.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 7:39 pm to Darth_Vader
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Yeah that's why I guessed this was a "Texas" thing. I've never heard of a club paying dues to another club to fly a certain bottom rocker
I could be wrong but I believe that is misinformation. The Cossacks paid dues to be an MC in Texas and wear MC but from what I understood they took to flying the Texas rocker and quit paying dues simultaneously. I'd never heard of anyone being able to pay to fly a bottom Texas rocker which is the equivalent of claiming the state.
I was out of central Texas for a while living in El Paso but before I moved I only remembered Cossacks wearing the county they were from on the bottom rocker something that now their support club the Scimitars do.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 7:41 pm
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