re: Been seeing a bunch of mud checkers lately

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Why do you do things like this here but not in real life?

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I frick with a lot of people IRL.

I'm sorry I said what I said about you dying. That was harsh and I apologize.

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I ride alone quite a bit, probably more than I do with a group. Not sure what you're seeing. Perhaps you don't notice single motorcycles when you encounter them on the road. Perhaps you should start paying closer attention before you kill someone.

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There are actually a lot of solo riders on the interstates, but they usually aren't wearing any club emblems or anything that links them to an MC.

The times I do see someone with a patch, it is usually in a group of 2 or more.

Darth, All of this fascinates me and I think you keep a level head when people start trying to antagonize you. I can see you reacting calmly in person as well.

Can you elaborate on some things?

1. What type of "Problems" arise from different MCers riding through territory?

2. What would get a personal visit from a MCer? Would a person really knock on a complete strangers door like Sabi said? And what would the MCer hope to accomplish within the confines of the law by such a visit to a private citizen?


Thanks. Again no dog in this hunt other than curiosity.

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I'm sorry I said what I said about you dying. That was harsh and I apologize.

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pussy bitch.

I knew you were posing when you said you belonged to a motorcycle gang.

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pussy bitch.

I knew you were posing when you said you belonged to a motorcycle gang.

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I don't belong to a motorbike gang. It's a MC.

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All of this fascinates me and I think you keep a level head when people start trying to antagonize you. I can see you reacting calmly in person as well.

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Thanks you. I found out long ago no situation IRL is helped by becoming overly emotional or losing your cool. Those things tend to only make matters worse.

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1. What type of "Problems" arise from different MCers riding through territory?

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Usually there is no problem as long as protocol is followed and there are no issues between clubs. Think of the clubs as their own countries. And just like countries some are allies, some are enemies, nd it all comes down to politics, power, and money. Clubs interact with one another pretty much the same exact way as do countries.

As for the protocol of one club visiting or passing through another's territory, what usually happens is one president or liaison will reach out to the other club to let them know they will be going wherever for whatever reason. This shows that club the proper respect and unless there is any bad blood between those two clubs (which if there was they'd not be considering passing through the other's territory anyway) the visiting club can come and go in peace. Later on when the roles are revered, the same protocol will be expected.

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2. What would get a personal visit from a MCer? Would a person really knock on a complete strangers door like Sabi said? And what would the MCer hope to accomplish within the confines of the law by such a visit to a private citizen?

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No MC member is going to just start something with a "civilian" (someone who's not a biker or a member of a club) for no reason. For example, let's say you and your family are on vacation, stopped at some roadside diner, and a group of a dozen or so 1%er MC members come in. The only way you will have any trouble with them is if you go over and start that trouble. That's not to say you can't engage them or look a them or whatever. If they speak to you, say hello back. If you want to talk to them, that's no problem unless you go digging into club business like asking how many members they have or if you do something stupid like ask them if they pass their "old ladies" around to other members or how many of them sell meth or whatever. Basically show them the same courtesy and respect you'd show any stranger and would want that stranger to show you.

There's an old motto that most bikers believe in. Some say it originated with the Hells Angels but I don't know if that's actually true or not. The saying goes "treat me good and I'll treat you better. Treat me bad and I'll treat you worse".

Make sense?

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Thanks. Again no dog in this hunt other than curiosity.

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No problem, I'm glad to answer whatever questions I can.

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. All I'm saying is while some of them are terrible and criminals, not all (or even most) of them are criminals.

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I don't think that's true for the HA's. All those guys seem to be criminals.

Do the outlaws view other gangsters (bloods & crips, la Cosa Nostra, Russian mafia, etc.) as civilians?

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In fact I don't think it would be a good idea to ask such a question because they'd wonder why you were wanting to know such a thing unless you were trying to draw some sort of connection between them and street gangs. And why would you want to do that unless you're a cop?

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Seeks like an odd friendship if asking a good friend their views on some of the most infamous criminal organizations could potentially lead generation to believe you're a cop.

Maybe it's just me, but that trust dynamic is not typical of a good friendship.

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Seeks like an odd friendship if asking a good friend their views on some of the most infamous criminal organizations could potentially lead generation to believe you're a cop.

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It's ok to talk in general about such things as their personal views on the mafia and street gangs. But that's a whole different basket of eggs than asking them what their club's stance is on those organizations.

It's difficult to explain to someone who's from the outside and have it make sense but basically asking them something of that nature falls inder prying into private club business. They may or may not have some sort of relationship with different organizations that are none of my business. That's something you don't ask about unless you're a patch holder of that club. They'd know I'm supposed to know this and it would only heighten suspicion as to why I'd be making such an inquiry.