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Battle-hardened troops v. war-weary
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:18 pm
Why is it we hear so much about our troops being war weary when in the past experts have always given credit to a military force that is battle-hardened. Serious question as I'm just thinking out loud.
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:24 pm to prplhze2000
Because we are used to being comfortable these days.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:26 pm to prplhze2000
It depends on what you ask them to do. If it is something they think is worthwhile they are battle hardened. If they think it is dangerous and without real purpose, then they will be war-weary.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:29 pm to lsu480
It's about leadership to be honest.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:38 pm to Poodlebrain
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It depends on what you ask them to do. If it is something they think is worthwhile they are battle hardened. If they think it is dangerous and without real purpose, then they will be war-weary.
This!
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:43 pm to sullivanct19a
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It's about leadership to be honest.
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 2:22 pm to prplhze2000
Troops are battle hardened.
Top brass/politicians/media are war weary.
Top brass/politicians/media are war weary.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 2:30 pm to prplhze2000
Ambrose noted that the progression went thusly:
"It won't happen to me."
"It can happen to me, and I can avoid it with better teamwork, better awareness, etc."
"It will happen, to me, and there's nothing I can do about it."
When a man reached the latter stage, he had had enough.
"It won't happen to me."
"It can happen to me, and I can avoid it with better teamwork, better awareness, etc."
"It will happen, to me, and there's nothing I can do about it."
When a man reached the latter stage, he had had enough.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 4:30 pm to Jim Rockford
For the most part, troops are battle hardened and families are war weary.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 4:35 pm to prplhze2000
When you give them ridiculous rules of engagement that put them in danger they are weary. When you let them do what they are trained to do they are hardened.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 4:54 pm to prplhze2000
Because I gets weary, and sick of tryin'
I'm tired of livin', and scared of dyin'
I'm tired of livin', and scared of dyin'
Posted on 11/21/15 at 4:59 pm to prplhze2000
it is all about the slant that the pundit is trying to impart on the story...
someone who wants you to be proud of the troops and the cause says they are "battle hardened",
while someone who wants you to feel sorry for the troops and be against the effort says they are "war-weary".....
someone who wants you to be proud of the troops and the cause says they are "battle hardened",
while someone who wants you to feel sorry for the troops and be against the effort says they are "war-weary".....
Posted on 11/21/15 at 5:03 pm to sullivanct19a
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It depends on what you ask them to do. If it is something they think is worthwhile they are battle hardened. If they think it is dangerous and without real purpose, then they will be war-weary.
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It's about leadership to be honest.
Something of a mixture of these two I think. At some point sight of why they fight is lost. Good leadership can inspire troops and/or pick objectives that inspire the people and troops.
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Because we are used to being comfortable these days.
If this is at all a factor it is very minor. War being destructive to people's psyche isn't new.
This post was edited on 11/21/15 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 11/21/15 at 5:06 pm to Spankum
That's undoubtedly a factor too.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 5:21 pm to prplhze2000
The troops aren't war weary. There may have been a period 07-09 that some were. Those guys got out and the wars are over. There aren't any war weary troops in the US military. That's all spin from leftists.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 6:46 pm to JP_Tiger
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The troops aren't war weary. There may have been a period 07-09 that some were. Those guys got out and the wars are over. There aren't any war weary troops in the US military. That's all spin from leftists
The mass exodus you allude to was a direct result of poor leadership and horrible manpower planning (such as carrying garrison leadership style to combat zones). The Army in particular has a dysfunctional personnel management system.
There are bigger personnel management issues throughout DoD, overall. Been like that for decades. People write about them, but nothing changes.
As for war weary - garrison fatigue can take the fight out of a military faster than battle ever will. And that is 100% about leadership. People write about it, try to prompt change, but it rarely seems to result in change.
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