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Anyone ever built a flagstone patio?
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:59 am
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:59 am
Debating whether or not this as a DIY project.
It's going to be about 300 sq ft and the going rate for professionals is $15 a sqft = $4,500. Now there is no way im paying that which is why im trying to tackle it myself.
Laying the flagstone decently seems easy enough, but to actually do it right, get a base layer of limestone and mortar the bottom and grout so it doesn't crack or sink in a couple years appears to be the tough part. Google has gotten me a good start, but curious if anyone around here has done this themselves?
Thanks!
It's going to be about 300 sq ft and the going rate for professionals is $15 a sqft = $4,500. Now there is no way im paying that which is why im trying to tackle it myself.
Laying the flagstone decently seems easy enough, but to actually do it right, get a base layer of limestone and mortar the bottom and grout so it doesn't crack or sink in a couple years appears to be the tough part. Google has gotten me a good start, but curious if anyone around here has done this themselves?
Thanks!
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:00 pm to cajuntiger26
Will it be covered? If not hire a professional. You don't want pooling water which you will get if you DIY
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:01 pm to cajuntiger26
Yes, done it myself. Would pour concrete if I had a chance to do it over. Does not have the durability of a concrete patio by any stretch.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:09 pm to cajuntiger26
Paid a Mexican ground crew $2k to do mine and well worth the expense. I watched most of the build and it was some dirty, hard work. Also, there is an art to getting all of the stone arranged without big gaps. The guy in charge of that was an artist. Patio was awesome but I sold the house two years later so can't speak to durability over concrete.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:09 pm to cajuntiger26
why not pour concrete and have it etched and colored like its made out of flagstone?
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:09 pm to jbgleason
Mine will not be covered.
Was yours laid over an existing concrete slab or started from dirt?
Was yours laid over an existing concrete slab or started from dirt?
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:11 pm to Mudminnow
quote:
why not pour concrete and have it etched and colored like its made out of flagstone?
Because I already have the flagstone. Total cost of me to DIY this would be about $500, pouring concrete would be in the $2500 range plus whatever the etching cost.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:33 pm to Mudminnow
quote:
why not pour concrete and have it etched and colored like its made out of flagstone?
Because this:
Looks better than this:
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:37 pm to cajuntiger26
Not covered. Put over dirt. They compacted first. Should be noted that this was in North LA* where the ground was red clay based. So that may be a factor for you.
*Cue ignoramus responses about North better than South. I hated living there.
*Cue ignoramus responses about North better than South. I hated living there.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:45 pm to Golfer
quote:
Because this:
This.....if you do it yourself,
1. excavate 4" + the thickness of your flag (1 1/2" usually),
2.do a sub base of 2" of sand....lay weed matt/filter fabric on dirt before adding sand,
3.add filter fabric on top of sand and add 2" of Decomposed granite or ornamental gravel as show in the previous posters pic. (Ornamental gravel can be expensive....that looks like moss green granite in the pic which is super expensive. Decomposed granite is cheap, looks good and hardens to a very firm base.
4. lay flag.....this is where the art comes in to make it look good, if you use decomposed granite or gravel then you don't have to worry about getting a 2% slope for drainage as you would with a concrete sub base.
5. once flag is laid, fill in joints with decomposed granite or ornamental gravel. Orn Gravel will tend to stay loose and will come out of the joints a bit. DG mostly hardens and doesn't cause you to track much gravel into the house.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:20 pm to Zappas Stache
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or ornamental gravel. Orn Gravel will tend to stay loose and will come out of the joints a bit. DG mostly hardens and doesn't cause you to track much gravel into the house.
What about mortar/concrete as grout? I like the look of that and it seems like it would be durable long term and allow me to pressure wash as needed
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:22 pm to cajuntiger26
quote:
Mine will not be covered.
quote:
Was yours laid over an existing concrete slab or started from dirt?
Mine is not covered and is laid over an existing concrete slab, with a fountain pool in the middle. Not much maintenance..
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:23 pm to cajuntiger26
quote:Fine... about 20 years later you may need to do it again though.
What about mortar/concrete as grout?
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:25 pm to cajuntiger26
My in laws did it. They hate it now and wish they would have done concrete. Pooling water, mildew, hard to pressure wash, constant chipping of the stones, stubbed toes just to name a few. Maybe if it was covered they'd like it more, not sure though.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:27 pm to cajuntiger26
Done it many times. Pour a 4" slab and let set, install flagstone in a bed of mortar, grout mortar joints with mortar and rub with a burlap sack. Once set, wash with diluted muratic acid.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:29 pm to LSUballs
Yep... do exactly what Balls says, cept if you're lazy or an OT Baller, get someone else to do it for you!
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:34 pm to cajuntiger26
Unless your house is Adobe.....Doesn't look right in LA.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:36 pm to Count Chocula
Did mine three years ago using Gator Dust. Still looks great to this day. 3 inches of base and an inch of sand. You'll need 2 pallets of stone make sure they are big pieces at least 2 inches thick. You need to vibrate the gator dust into cracks and all will be fine make sure it's not going to rain.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:52 pm to lake2280
Built this earlier this year. Not Flagstone but the base should be the same.
5"+ of crushed limestone
1" of leveled sand
Pavers
between the pavers is a dry sand/mortar mix.
5"+ of crushed limestone
1" of leveled sand
Pavers
between the pavers is a dry sand/mortar mix.
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