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Anyone ever built a flagstone patio?

Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:59 am
Posted by cajuntiger26
Member since Jan 2013
338 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:59 am
Debating whether or not this as a DIY project.
It's going to be about 300 sq ft and the going rate for professionals is $15 a sqft = $4,500. Now there is no way im paying that which is why im trying to tackle it myself.

Laying the flagstone decently seems easy enough, but to actually do it right, get a base layer of limestone and mortar the bottom and grout so it doesn't crack or sink in a couple years appears to be the tough part. Google has gotten me a good start, but curious if anyone around here has done this themselves?

Thanks!
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
102962 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:00 pm to
Will it be covered? If not hire a professional. You don't want pooling water which you will get if you DIY
Posted by PacoDeTaco
BR
Member since Feb 2007
2062 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:01 pm to
Yes, done it myself. Would pour concrete if I had a chance to do it over. Does not have the durability of a concrete patio by any stretch.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18892 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:09 pm to
Paid a Mexican ground crew $2k to do mine and well worth the expense. I watched most of the build and it was some dirty, hard work. Also, there is an art to getting all of the stone arranged without big gaps. The guy in charge of that was an artist. Patio was awesome but I sold the house two years later so can't speak to durability over concrete.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34144 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:09 pm to
why not pour concrete and have it etched and colored like its made out of flagstone?
Posted by cajuntiger26
Member since Jan 2013
338 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:09 pm to
Mine will not be covered.

Was yours laid over an existing concrete slab or started from dirt?
Posted by cajuntiger26
Member since Jan 2013
338 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

why not pour concrete and have it etched and colored like its made out of flagstone?


Because I already have the flagstone. Total cost of me to DIY this would be about $500, pouring concrete would be in the $2500 range plus whatever the etching cost.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

why not pour concrete and have it etched and colored like its made out of flagstone?


Because this:



Looks better than this:

Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18892 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:37 pm to
Not covered. Put over dirt. They compacted first. Should be noted that this was in North LA* where the ground was red clay based. So that may be a factor for you.



*Cue ignoramus responses about North better than South. I hated living there.
Posted by Bucktail1
Member since Feb 2015
3184 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:40 pm to
Uh, no it doesnt.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38644 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

Because this:


This.....if you do it yourself,
1. excavate 4" + the thickness of your flag (1 1/2" usually),
2.do a sub base of 2" of sand....lay weed matt/filter fabric on dirt before adding sand,
3.add filter fabric on top of sand and add 2" of Decomposed granite or ornamental gravel as show in the previous posters pic. (Ornamental gravel can be expensive....that looks like moss green granite in the pic which is super expensive. Decomposed granite is cheap, looks good and hardens to a very firm base.
4. lay flag.....this is where the art comes in to make it look good, if you use decomposed granite or gravel then you don't have to worry about getting a 2% slope for drainage as you would with a concrete sub base.
5. once flag is laid, fill in joints with decomposed granite or ornamental gravel. Orn Gravel will tend to stay loose and will come out of the joints a bit. DG mostly hardens and doesn't cause you to track much gravel into the house.
Posted by cajuntiger26
Member since Jan 2013
338 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

or ornamental gravel. Orn Gravel will tend to stay loose and will come out of the joints a bit. DG mostly hardens and doesn't cause you to track much gravel into the house.


What about mortar/concrete as grout? I like the look of that and it seems like it would be durable long term and allow me to pressure wash as needed
Posted by Count Chocula
Tier 5 and proud
Member since Feb 2009
63908 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

Mine will not be covered.


quote:

Was yours laid over an existing concrete slab or started from dirt?


Mine is not covered and is laid over an existing concrete slab, with a fountain pool in the middle. Not much maintenance..
Posted by Count Chocula
Tier 5 and proud
Member since Feb 2009
63908 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

What about mortar/concrete as grout?
Fine... about 20 years later you may need to do it again though.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
28896 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:25 pm to
My in laws did it. They hate it now and wish they would have done concrete. Pooling water, mildew, hard to pressure wash, constant chipping of the stones, stubbed toes just to name a few. Maybe if it was covered they'd like it more, not sure though.
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
37712 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:27 pm to
Done it many times. Pour a 4" slab and let set, install flagstone in a bed of mortar, grout mortar joints with mortar and rub with a burlap sack. Once set, wash with diluted muratic acid.
Posted by Count Chocula
Tier 5 and proud
Member since Feb 2009
63908 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:29 pm to
Yep... do exactly what Balls says, cept if you're lazy or an OT Baller, get someone else to do it for you!
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2736 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:34 pm to
Unless your house is Adobe.....Doesn't look right in LA.
Posted by lake2280
Public intellectual
Member since Nov 2012
4288 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:36 pm to
Did mine three years ago using Gator Dust. Still looks great to this day. 3 inches of base and an inch of sand. You'll need 2 pallets of stone make sure they are big pieces at least 2 inches thick. You need to vibrate the gator dust into cracks and all will be fine make sure it's not going to rain.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24928 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:52 pm to
Built this earlier this year. Not Flagstone but the base should be the same.

5"+ of crushed limestone
1" of leveled sand
Pavers

between the pavers is a dry sand/mortar mix.
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