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American Civil War Animated Maps
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:12 pm
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:33 pm to RollTide1987
Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I can't get the videos to play. Tried Chrome and Edge.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:34 pm to AnonymousTiger
Working for me on mobile.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:36 pm to Maverick01
Yes. That is assuredly reason to give thanks to God.
And I speak as a southerner who appreciates the Southern legal claim to opt out of the Union, even as I roundly reject the institution of slavery. I can also appreciate the honorable and heroic leadership of many of those who fought the war, North and South.
And I speak as a southerner who appreciates the Southern legal claim to opt out of the Union, even as I roundly reject the institution of slavery. I can also appreciate the honorable and heroic leadership of many of those who fought the war, North and South.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:38 pm to Maverick01
You edited before I completed my post.
The "traitor" label is arguable, but still bullshite. "Exploitative" is empty rhetoric.
The "traitor" label is arguable, but still bullshite. "Exploitative" is empty rhetoric.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:45 pm to Maverick01
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Thank god the South lost.
To a certain degree, great Americans thought this as well, not the least of which was Robert E. Lee.
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Traitorous, exploitative bastards.
:boythatescalatedquickly:
It was a complex set of issues at a very complex time. However conveniently you want to define it, it just isn't/wasn't so.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:45 pm to Maverick01
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Maverick01
116 posts
Just stop. Only 116 in and everyone can already tell that you are terrible poster.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:46 pm to Bluefin
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:46 pm to RollTide1987
This post is racist.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:49 pm to Maverick01
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Thank god the South lost. Traitorous, exploitative bastards.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:59 pm to Ace Midnight
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It was a complex set of issues at a very complex time. However conveniently you want to define it, it just isn't/wasn't so.
Haha, there was nothing complex about it. The South wanted to continue the institution of slavery because it was profitable. The forced servitude of blacks was the linchpin that held the fabric of the South's economy together. Over 200 years of free labor. It seems pretty cut and dry to me.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:15 pm to Maverick01
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The South wanted to continue the institution of slavery because it was profitable.
A significant plurality of the North did not want to end slavery, either.
Just as most Union soldiers fought to preserve the Union (I take most of them at their word), most Confederate soldiers fought to defend their home states from what they viewed as an invasion. Taking Lee (you know, the South's top guy in unform at war's end) just as one example, he intensely disliked that peculiar institution and had no problems seeing it end. He was offered command of all Union forces and would have accepted if Virginia hadn't seceded.
Once you examine the actual facts (rather than appeal to emotion), such a simplistic analysis as yours fails to draw even modest support.
Now, am I saying slavery wasn't a factor, even a significant one in the 2 sides reaching an impasse and engaging in conflict? Of course I'm not saying that. It is certainly co-equal and hopelessly intertwined with the notion of States' rights to self-determination/self-governance.
I know it makes a lot of folks feel better about the war's prosecution and particularly the war crimes committed by the Yankee victors, but it just isn't as simple as "Slavery bad" - of course it was bad - one of the worst things ever - but it was not the only reason that hundreds of thousands of Americans fought and died in that conflict.
Let me ask you this - if the South had done exactly what Longstreet suggested - "Freed the slaves, THEN fired on Fort Sumter" - would there have been a war?
Of course there would have.
Ergo, slavery was not the causus belli - although it was a significant factor and matter of dispute leading up to the conflict, and perhaps the most single important issue in a vacuum. But they were not operating in a vacuum.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:31 pm to Maverick01
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Haha, there was nothing complex about it. The South wanted to continue the institution of slavery because it was profitable. The forced servitude of blacks was the linchpin that held the fabric of the South's economy together. Over 200 years of free labor. It seems pretty cut and dry to me.
Try reading books where coloring within the lines is not the primary objective.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:36 pm to RollTide1987
OP: Thanks for posting links. I started the Shiloh video and it looks to be well done. I'm going to try to find it via my Roku and watch it on the big screen.
Sorry about the "distractions" in the thread.
Sorry about the "distractions" in the thread.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:38 pm to Maverick01
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The South wanted to continue the institution of slavery because it was profitable. The forced servitude of blacks was the linchpin that held the fabric of the South's economy together.
in 1860 less than 5% of Southern families owned slaves. 28% of the free black population of New Orleans owned slaves
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:40 pm to Ace Midnight
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Ergo, slavery was not the causus belli
Ehh...It was the cause of succession, which in turn caused the Civil War
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:11 pm to NYCAuburn
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Ehh...It was the cause of succession, which in turn caused the Civil War
Maybe. But, was there slavery in Maryland (Hint: Yes there was)? Did slavery continue to be legal in Maryland during the Civil War (Hint: Yes it did)? Did Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation affect slavery in Maryland (Hint: No, it did not)?
When did slavery end in Maryland?
Ergo, slavery was not the causus belli of the Civil War (although I admit it was a significant issue, perhaps the most significant issue of disagreement leading up to the conflict itself).
Again - and I'll say it a thousand times if necessary. It was an extraordinarily complex set of issues at an extraordinarily complex time in history - just taking "the big" issue - slavery itself, is complex beyond measure, in the American experience. Obviously we should be glad that it is over, but as a historian myself, I just bristle when one of these simplistic, frankly speaking, intellectually lazy arguments: "Civil War was over slavery" gets made, particularly in a flippant remark meant to besmirch hundreds of thousands of brave soldiers who merely intended to defend their homes from invaders - regardless of how well-intentioned or how much I might agree with those invaders.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:11 pm to RollTide1987
that's frickin cool. I'm going to watch these at home on pc/tv in bed.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:17 pm to Alleman
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Try reading books where coloring within the lines is not the primary objective.
How childish. You don't like my opinion, so you make a disparaging comment about my intellect. If you have a stance on the issue of slavery and the Civil War then feel free to share it, but objecting to my views by being patronizing makes you look small and immature.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:20 pm to Ace Midnight
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Maybe.
There are no maybes here. It was the direct cause of succession. At least for all the states who were willing to document their causes of succession. The others who didnt, merely piggybacked on the the others
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