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70 Years Ago Today: Germany Unconditionally Surrenders to The Western Allies
Posted on 5/7/15 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 12:53 pm
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On this day in 1945, the German High Command, in the person of General Alfred Jodl, signs the unconditional surrender of all German forces, East and West, at Reims, in northwestern France.
At first, General Jodl hoped to limit the terms of German surrender to only those forces still fighting the Western Allies. But General Dwight Eisenhower demanded complete surrender of all German forces, those fighting in the East as well as in the West. If this demand was not met, Eisenhower was prepared to seal off the Western front, preventing Germans from fleeing to the West in order to surrender, thereby leaving them in the hands of the enveloping Soviet forces. Jodl radioed Grand Admiral Karl Donitz, Hitler’s successor, with the terms. Donitz ordered him to sign. So with Russian General Ivan Susloparov and French General Francois Sevez signing as witnesses, and General Walter Bedell Smith, Ike’s chief of staff, signing for the Allied Expeditionary Force, Germany was-at least on paper-defeated. Fighting would still go on in the East for almost another day. But the war in the West was over.
Since General Susloparov did not have explicit permission from Soviet Premier Stalin to sign the surrender papers, even as a witness, he was quickly hustled back East-into the hands of the Soviet secret police, never to be heard from again. Alfred Jodl, who was wounded in the assassination attempt on Hitler on July 20, 1944, would be found guilty of war crimes (which included the shooting of hostages) at Nuremberg and hanged on October 16, 1946-then granted a pardon, posthumously, in 1953, after a German appeals court found Jodl not guilty of breaking international law.
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The Germans had to go to Berlin the next day and do the same thing for the Russians.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 12:57 pm to Darth_Vader
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Since General Susloparov did not have explicit permission from Soviet Premier Stalin to sign the surrender papers, even as a witness, he was quickly hustled back East-into the hands of the Soviet secret police, never to be heard from again.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 12:59 pm to Darth_Vader
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General Alfred Jodl, signs the unconditional surrender of all German forces
We should let them win one or they will quit trying after awhile.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:01 pm to Armymann50
Posthumous pardons/acknowledgements, etc. always strike me as being the most ridiculous thing imaginable. I understand giving awards to the family that way. But what does pardoning someone after they die do?
Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:12 pm to Darth_Vader
Great day. Susloparov wasn't "disappeared", though. He remained in the Army for a while and lived until the mid-1970s.
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Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:15 pm to Darth_Vader
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Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:17 pm to Darth_Vader
Just got this luger I inherited back from restoration. My Great Uncle Jimbo pulled it off a German Soldier during the war. About 35 years ago it was in a house fire and took some serious fire damage. Most of the metal was discolored & damaged and the handle was pretty much completely charred/melted. It's not worth what it would be in original condition but it's damn pretty.
töten alle nazis
Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:17 pm to Navytiger74
quote:You sure about that Darth?
Since General Susloparov did not have explicit permission from Soviet Premier Stalin to sign the surrender papers, even as a witness, he was quickly hustled back East-into the hands of the Soviet secret police, never to be heard from again.
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ust as Susloparov expected, the Soviet Government indeed requested a second surrender ceremony, which took place in Karlshorst near Berlin late on May 8. General Susloparov was present there as well.
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After the war, General Susloparov worked in the Military Diplomatic Academy (??????-??????????????? ????????) in Moscow,[1] an institution that trained military attachés and intelligence officers.[3] His job title was described as nachalnik kursa, i.e. the officer in charge of all cadets who entered the academy in a particular year. He died on December 16, 1974, in Moscow and was buried in Vvedenskoye Cemetery.[1]
Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:18 pm to Darth_Vader
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Alfred Jodl, who was wounded in the assassination attempt on Hitler on July 20, 1944, would be found guilty of war crimes (which included the shooting of hostages) at Nuremberg and hanged on October 16, 1946-then granted a pardon, posthumously, in 1953, after a German appeals court found Jodl not guilty of breaking international law.
Well gee, thanks.
And what it must have been like to sign those papers knowing what was probably going to happen to you very soon after. Yikes.
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:23 pm to lsupride87
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You sure about that Darth?
You'll have to take that up with the History Channel. I'd never head that before myself, I just copied the article.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:25 pm to TrueTiger
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TrueTiger
That's VJ Day, dude.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:28 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
quote:clears the family name.
70 Years Ago Today: Germany Unconditionally Surrenders to The Western Allies
Posthumous pardons/acknowledgements, etc. always strike me as being the most ridiculous thing imaginable. I understand giving awards to the family that way. But what does pardoning someone after they die do?
Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:29 pm to VeniVidiVici
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That's VJ Day, dude.
Well I asked google for the VE day pic.
Damn them!
Seriously, try it. Google: "VE day photo kiss"
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:33 pm to TrueTiger
quote:This is the VE day kiss
TrueTiger
Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:37 pm to lsupride87
Well I'm glad we got that corrected.
The VE day girl seems much more willing.
The VE day girl seems much more willing.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 1:38 pm to Darth_Vader
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You'll have to take that up with the History Channel.
Seriously? You couldn't find a more credible source to link than the fricking aliens-invented-the-hoover-dam History Channel? frick man, come on, you're better than this.
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