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Thomas Morstead worth the money?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:19 am
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:19 am
I like Morstead as much as the next guy, but he is a $4.45 Million cap hit this season.
Through his 7 years he has punted the ball more than 70 (74) times in just one of those seasons. He averages just 58.5 punts per season which puts him in the bottom 5-8 punters in the league as far as touches go (not including kick offs), but he will be tied as the highest paid punter in the league this season.
Through his 7 years he has punted the ball more than 70 (74) times in just one of those seasons. He averages just 58.5 punts per season which puts him in the bottom 5-8 punters in the league as far as touches go (not including kick offs), but he will be tied as the highest paid punter in the league this season.
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:23 am to Noplacelikehome
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Thomas Morstead worth the money?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:27 am to Noplacelikehome
He's worth it if you're getting the 2011-2012 version of him.
It isn't the number of times he punts, that is irrelevant because its dependen on playcalling or the fact that we turn it over a lot.
Gotta look at the number of times his punts are returned and for how much(good hang time + good coverage), the average yard per punt, and the % of punts inside the 20.
That being said, the % IN20 is dependent on your offense moving the ball as well. If we're going 3&Out on the 20 numerous times, that isn't going to happen. Or if we move the ball so well and don't punt when we pass the 50 yard line, well that isn't an issue.
Ultimately, he does two jobs and does it pretty well. at 4.45mil cap hit it is a hefty price, so ideally its best to have him extended or contract reworked.
It isn't the number of times he punts, that is irrelevant because its dependen on playcalling or the fact that we turn it over a lot.
Gotta look at the number of times his punts are returned and for how much(good hang time + good coverage), the average yard per punt, and the % of punts inside the 20.
That being said, the % IN20 is dependent on your offense moving the ball as well. If we're going 3&Out on the 20 numerous times, that isn't going to happen. Or if we move the ball so well and don't punt when we pass the 50 yard line, well that isn't an issue.
Ultimately, he does two jobs and does it pretty well. at 4.45mil cap hit it is a hefty price, so ideally its best to have him extended or contract reworked.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:35 am to htran90
Morestead is NOTHING special at pinning punts, in fact he fricking sucks compared to the top punters in the league.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:39 am to Chad504boy
This is one of the few things I actually agree with you on.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:12 pm to Noplacelikehome
No, but I got downvoted to hell when I mentioned that he was overpaid and overrated.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:20 pm to htran90
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It isn't the number of times he punts, that is irrelevant because its dependen on playcalling or the fact that we turn it over a lot.
The number of punts definitely matters. If a guy is punting 5 times per game rather than 3 times per game you don't think that the team with the 5 times per game needs a better/more dependent punter?
Go look at the top offensive teams in the league and tell me which ones are paying their punter. Go look at the top teams overall in the NFL and do the same.
2015
Denver: Britton Colquitt $2.35 Mil (took a $1.4 Mil pay cut in 2015)(likely to be cut or take another large pay cut this season at $4.0 Mil)
Carolina: Brad Nortman (Rookie Contract) $679,670
Arizona: Drew Butler $585,000 (Undrafted)
New England: Ryan Allen $1.7 Mil (Undrafted)
Green Bay: Tim Masthay $1.54 Mil (Undrafted)
Pitt: Jordan Berry $525,000 (Undrafted)
Cinci: Kevin Huber $2.7 Mil
The list could go on. The only team in the playoffs that paid anything close to Morstead was Kansas City and I wouldn't call their offense top tier.
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:41 pm to Noplacelikehome
He won't be making that number with the Saints I feel certain.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:05 pm to goatmilker
I would suspect he will be taking a pay cut. The Saints would have even more leverage if they ever get a decent kicker that could also handle kickoffs.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:13 pm to Noplacelikehome
Where was the complaint about his contract in 2012? His current contract is back loaded so as it goes further we pay more, just like everyone else we sign.
I agree he isn't living up to the contract and we don't need to pay the type of money for a punter when we have other needs. Remember when San Francisco was playing well and how much they were paying Lee?
Saints don't punt often, that's been a fact for years now. If you're gonna get a guy who punts many times a game and is extremely efficient, you're going to get a guy who also costs good money. Morestead punts like his 11-12 self, that puts him in top 3 category to match his pay. Issue is he is underperformed.
I agree he isn't living up to the contract and we don't need to pay the type of money for a punter when we have other needs. Remember when San Francisco was playing well and how much they were paying Lee?
Saints don't punt often, that's been a fact for years now. If you're gonna get a guy who punts many times a game and is extremely efficient, you're going to get a guy who also costs good money. Morestead punts like his 11-12 self, that puts him in top 3 category to match his pay. Issue is he is underperformed.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 2:43 pm to Noplacelikehome
He's not worth the money at all. He's been average at best the last 2 years. He's always had plenty of leg, but like Chad said...he's not the best at pinning the ball inside the 20. I wouldn't mind if he stayed with us after taking a paycut, b/c I wouldn't be suprised if he had a bounceback year.
You can also find an average punter easily and pay him less than 1 million. You have all those punters in college & only 32 roster spots for punters in the NFL. Plus, punters play into their 40's. It creates a huge log jam of legit punters looking for a job.
You can also find an average punter easily and pay him less than 1 million. You have all those punters in college & only 32 roster spots for punters in the NFL. Plus, punters play into their 40's. It creates a huge log jam of legit punters looking for a job.
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 2/24/16 at 3:52 pm to GMoney2600
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You can also find an average punter easily and pay him less than 1 million. You have all those punters in college & only 32 roster spots for punters in the NFL. Plus, punters play into their 40's. It creates a huge log jam of legit punters looking for a job.
I would be interested in seeing if they've done analytics on the benefits of a paying a punter vs signing one for the league minimum. Sure every yard matters, but at what point does it start costing games vs could that money be better spent elsewhere?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:28 pm to Spelt it rong
I like everything hes done for us, but, he needs to take a cut, or be cut(just like Evans)
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:49 am to Chad504boy
He played hurt last season and didn't kick off, so we forgethow valuable he has been in that regard. Last 2 years have been off but he was top10-top5 in touchbacks every year before. He has also been top 10 in punting average every year except last year. Bottom line that last year playing hurt aside, he has been one of the best in the game, and having a great punter is an underapreciated weapon. It's not something you notice until you don't have it, which is the nature of specialists.
This will be his highest cap hit in the life of his contract, but his cap will be over 4 mil the next 3 years. I could see the Saints extending his contract, but I don't believe they need to. Fans love to complain about people who are great at their jobs getting paid a lot of cash, but having a consistently great punter is important. I think having a lot of cap space can be over rated, as the Saints have proven over the last few years that spending in free agency is not always a good thing.
This will be his highest cap hit in the life of his contract, but his cap will be over 4 mil the next 3 years. I could see the Saints extending his contract, but I don't believe they need to. Fans love to complain about people who are great at their jobs getting paid a lot of cash, but having a consistently great punter is important. I think having a lot of cap space can be over rated, as the Saints have proven over the last few years that spending in free agency is not always a good thing.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:22 am to LisbethSalander
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He played hurt last season and didn't kick off, so we forgethow valuable he has been in that regard. Last 2 years have been off but he was top10-top5 in touchbacks every year before. He has also been top 10 in punting average every year except last year. Bottom line that last year playing hurt aside, he has been one of the best in the game, and having a great punter is an underapreciated weapon. It's not something you notice until you don't have it, which is the nature of specialists.
This will be his highest cap hit in the life of his contract, but his cap will be over 4 mil the next 3 years. I could see the Saints extending his contract, but I don't believe they need to. Fans love to complain about people who are great at their jobs getting paid a lot of cash, but having a consistently great punter is important. I think having a lot of cap space can be over rated, as the Saints have proven over the last few years that spending in free agency is not always a good thing.
Thomas, you were never as good as what you think you were. You have had 2 bad years and are nearly the top paid punter in the league. Being top 10ish in punting is not worth 4 million plus a year. We can get that production at half your price easily. And also, you fricking suck as a holder, nobody talks about it, you've had a mary goround at kickers partly cause of your holding.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:43 am to Chad504boy
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And also, you fricking suck as a holder, nobody talks about it, you've had a mary goround at kickers partly cause of your holding.
Can't we blame McCown for that too
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:54 am to Noplacelikehome
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Morestead worth the money?
no.
If we didn't have as much dead money as we do and as many needs as we have...you can afford him as a luxury item sure.
However the overall impact on the game that he has is minimal compared to what we need and what we have to make it work.
Restructure or get cut.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:26 pm to partywiththelombardi
Pick up someone for cheap in the first round of the draft. Trade up if need be.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 1:20 pm to Chad504boy
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Being top 10ish in punting is not worth 4 million plus a year
I guess you don't appreciate what value punters bring to a team. He has been a top 10 punter every year he has played healthy, and has been good to dominant on kickoffs. accounting for less than 4% of the salary cap when your one of the best at your position in the league seems more than reasonable to me, if you consider 53 players account for about ~3 mil per player average. You can't assume the Saints can find a guy who will be as good as Morstead on the street willing to play for the league minimum. You have to pay for production
Posted on 2/25/16 at 1:22 pm to LisbethSalander
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I guess you don't appreciate what value punters bring to a team. He has been a top 10 punter every year he has played healthy, and has been good to dominant on kickoffs. accounting for less than 4% of the salary cap when your one of the best at your position in the league seems more than reasonable to me, if you consider 53 players account for about ~3 mil per player average. You can't assume the Saints can find a guy who will be as good as Morstead on the street willing to play for the league minimum. You have to pay for production
you take crazy pills in the morning.
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