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Stronger Unit: Oline or Dline?
Posted on 6/29/16 at 10:07 am
Posted on 6/29/16 at 10:07 am
sticking to our front 5 comparing to our front 4. Maybe look at 5 deep on the line.
Armstead, Unger w/ Peat Potential and Strief's history is pretty solid.
Cam Jordan, and Rankins is off to a great start, mix in a little Fairley and Richardson...
who you give edge to?
Armstead, Unger w/ Peat Potential and Strief's history is pretty solid.
Cam Jordan, and Rankins is off to a great start, mix in a little Fairley and Richardson...
who you give edge to?
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Posted on 6/29/16 at 10:18 am to Chad504boy
Pretty much definitely our o line. Armstead is great. Unger is great. Peat has a lot of potential and should develop into a capable starter. Everyone should be nervous about our guards, but hopefully they can at least be workable.
D line is maybe the weakest unit on the entire team. Jordan is the only proven capable player. Rankins should be good, but we'll see how it shakes out. He should develop into a capable starter as well. After that it is a whole bunch of meh.
D line is maybe the weakest unit on the entire team. Jordan is the only proven capable player. Rankins should be good, but we'll see how it shakes out. He should develop into a capable starter as well. After that it is a whole bunch of meh.
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/29/16 at 10:20 am to Peazey
quote:Agree with everything you said, but definitely feel like LB is our weakest position grouping by far.
D line is maybe the weakest unit on the entire team.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 10:20 am to Peazey
O-line would probably dominate D-line in a full 60 minute game.
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 10:21 am
Posted on 6/29/16 at 10:43 am to Chad504boy
Right now, you have to go with O-Line. Armstead & Unger are proven. I'm confident in Peat...even though he is playing out of position. Hopefully Strief has a bounceback year(Strief is the wild card imo). He wasn't horrible last year, but he was very average. Lelito/Kelemete/udfa's should be able to do a respectable job sandwiched between Unger & Armstead.
D-Line is Jordan and then nothing but potential. They could be good or they could be horrible. I wouldn't be shocked by either. I'm curious to see what Gwachum/Edebali can do at DE(Hopefully one of them can evolve into an every down player & not just a pass rushing specialist). Richardson looked pretty solid against the run for a rookie last year. Rankins, Fairley, & Jenkins need to get it done in the middle or we're screwed. I could be wrong, but I still think Davison is a year or 2 away. You can't really expect anything out of Onyemata either imo.
D-Line is Jordan and then nothing but potential. They could be good or they could be horrible. I wouldn't be shocked by either. I'm curious to see what Gwachum/Edebali can do at DE(Hopefully one of them can evolve into an every down player & not just a pass rushing specialist). Richardson looked pretty solid against the run for a rookie last year. Rankins, Fairley, & Jenkins need to get it done in the middle or we're screwed. I could be wrong, but I still think Davison is a year or 2 away. You can't really expect anything out of Onyemata either imo.
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 11:45 am
Posted on 6/29/16 at 10:45 am to WhoDatTigahsTampa
quote:
definitely feel like LB is our weakest position grouping by far.
I like them if Ellerbe can stay healthy. That's a big if though. I wouldn't be surpised if Robertson turned out to be a good pickup for us.
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 10:52 am
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:35 am to Chad504boy
Would have to say O-line. They an at least pass block pretty well. Run blocking isn't there yet. D-line hasn't been able to stop the run or generate pass rush. Hopefully that changes this year.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:51 am to Peazey
quote:
Jordan is the only proven capable player.
Fairley has had a pretty good career.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:56 am to THRILLHO
Not really. There's a reason he's on his 3rd team in 3 years and currently on a "1 year prove it deal." He has potential to be solid. He is not a proven capable starter.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:57 am to THRILLHO
I like Fairley. I just hope that he can keep up his production with a heavier workload. I assume that we're going to be depending on him to play more snaps for us...considering Jenkins is so erratic. Jenkins will have 2 good games in a row, then follow it up with 4/5 bad games.
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 11:59 am
Posted on 6/29/16 at 12:11 pm to Chad504boy
Oline.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 1:11 pm to goatmilker
Like usual, O line.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:17 pm to Chad504boy
Oline but the DLine has potential
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:29 pm to Sparkplug#1
Yup but Crumb is right in that the Dline has more potential.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 6:59 pm to goatmilker
Let me be Captain Obvious for a moment:
Neither the Offensive or Defensive line is PLAYOFF GRADE right now.
Hopefully we get lucky with one of the undrafted guards. We need 2 guards...a pass rush defensive end .....and a longterm DT (Jenkins and Fairley are stop gaps).
Neither the Offensive or Defensive line is PLAYOFF GRADE right now.
Hopefully we get lucky with one of the undrafted guards. We need 2 guards...a pass rush defensive end .....and a longterm DT (Jenkins and Fairley are stop gaps).
Posted on 6/29/16 at 7:30 pm to Chad504boy
O-Line
Posted on 6/29/16 at 7:51 pm to Peazey
quote:
Not really. There's a reason he's on his 3rd team in 3 years and currently on a "1 year prove it deal."
I mean, I get that not everyone buys into metrics, but PFF loves Fairley. And he had a lot of dedication/weight issues early on with the Lions, but he actually ended up being UNDERWEIGHT his final season in Detroit. Not for laziness/losing muscle, but for overdoing his dieting. He was really good in St. Louis last season, but his stats don't pop out because he was a rotational player on a loaded DL. If he's not good enough to be a clear cut starter over Aaron Donald or Michael Brockers, so what?
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He has potential to be solid. He is not a proven capable starter.
He had 11.5 sacks over the 2012/2013 seasons. That's fantastic for a DT. By the end of this season, people will be wishing that we had signed Fairley to a multi-year deal while he was cheap.
As for the OP, I would go OL, but not by a huge margin. OL has an elite player, DL has a fringe elite player. I think Unger and Fairley are about on the same level. Strief isn't too far behind those two. Let's figure Peat and Rankins are about equal. Lelito isn't as bad as most people think, really good run blocker. It's that 2nd guard vs RDE position that are the big questions. The thing is, RDE/Jack whatever you want to call it (the pass rusher from the weakside) is the most important part of the DL, whereas if one OG is competent, then you can hide the other guard with help from a really good tackle and center duo.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 9:16 pm to THRILLHO
But when Fairley picked up all those sacks in 2012-2013 ... I think he was playing next to SUH in Detroit ? (a dominant defensive tackle). Rankins might be good but not to SUH's level.
That was 4 years ago now. :(
That was 4 years ago now. :(
Posted on 6/29/16 at 9:35 pm to Drillingman
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Rankins might be good but not to SUH's level.
May be a already predetermined fact in your universe but not mine.
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