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So how critical should we be of Sheldon Rankins?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:51 pm
5 games 4 tackles. So he's getting triple teamed? Davidson has played pretty well from what I can tell. Just don't get Rankins lack of production. Never liked his lack of size.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:54 pm to Chad504boy
I think all the kneeling has caused you to become a negative Nancy lately
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:56 pm to Chad504boy
after listening to people say they made a focus to watch him, I did that yesterday. He eats double teams and if he's going 1v1 he causes pressure more often than not.
I think the issue is Davison/Onyemata aren't great pass rushers so they don't get that much respect.
reality is, he's not elite like Aaron Donald who eats double teams and still gets sacks.
I think the issue is Davison/Onyemata aren't great pass rushers so they don't get that much respect.
reality is, he's not elite like Aaron Donald who eats double teams and still gets sacks.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:01 pm to htran90
If only we had a player like Fairley next to him
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:01 pm to Chad504boy
Defensive Tackle is one of those positions where productivity and good play doesn't necessarily show up on the stat sheet
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:08 pm to BigDawg0420
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Defensive Tackle is one of those positions where productivity and good play doesn't necessarily show up on the stat sheet
Unless you're talking about La'Roi Glover in the 2000 season
one of the GOAT performances at the position of all-time.
Glover wasn't that big either (size wise). Strong as an ox but just undersized. Doesn't matter how big you are, its just about what are you gonna do to contribute?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:15 pm to Chad504boy
Teams aren't getting shite for running yards up the middle b/c of Rankins & Davison (also Onyemata some). Even though he's getting doubled a lot, I'd still like to see some sacks every once in a while. No complaints with his run defense though. For a 2nd year DT...he's doing a good job.
That one big run that Detroit had was the only big run we've given up in the last 3 games (not really sure about week 2, but I don't recall the Pats having a lot of success running either). Not sure who was responsible for filling that lane, but there wasn't a LB or Safety in sight. Somebody missed an assignment.
The Vikings were the only team to run on us, & their big runs were outside the tackles.
That one big run that Detroit had was the only big run we've given up in the last 3 games (not really sure about week 2, but I don't recall the Pats having a lot of success running either). Not sure who was responsible for filling that lane, but there wasn't a LB or Safety in sight. Somebody missed an assignment.
The Vikings were the only team to run on us, & their big runs were outside the tackles.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:16 pm to GMoney2600
Our linebackers are looking the best in years. I know Nolan has a lot to do about that, but so does Rankins.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:34 pm to SuperSoakher
This.
If you want Rankins to stat produce he needs a better DT at running mate next to him.
Otherwise his production will show up like it did yesterday. With Cam and everyone else lighting it up.
Rankins IMO could be argued for being the 3rd best player on this team behind Cam and Lattimore.
If you want Rankins to stat produce he needs a better DT at running mate next to him.
Otherwise his production will show up like it did yesterday. With Cam and everyone else lighting it up.
Rankins IMO could be argued for being the 3rd best player on this team behind Cam and Lattimore.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:39 pm to Chad504boy
His PFF score is decent despite the lack of stats. That should tell you he’s likely playing well v the Run and eating up blocks
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:51 pm to partywiththelombardi
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If you want Rankins to stat produce he needs a better DT at running mate next to him.
Norman Hand/ La'Roi Glover -2000
also, that D-line in 2000 had Joe Johnson and Darren Howard on the ends.
everyone got theirs that year cause they led the league in sacks (66). But also, the NFL game was way different back then compared how it is now.
you don't really see true 4-3 fronts as much now I wouldn't imagine. A lot of multiple looks and nickel defenses trying to put enough speed on the field to keep up with the offensive extravaganzas the NFL wants to see.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:55 am to partywiththelombardi
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If you want Rankins to stat produce he needs a better DT at running mate next to him.
In all honesty Davison and Onyemata both look better to me. Rankins not making no interior push, Davison on the other hand has, and Onyemata has been real solid in relief
Posted on 10/17/17 at 4:24 am to TPecoraro23
So the guys getting mostly one on ones are getting better push than the guy taking doubles damn near every snap? Interesting...
And Jordan has seen a lot less doubles this year and his numbers are showing that. It's a trickle down effect.
And Jordan has seen a lot less doubles this year and his numbers are showing that. It's a trickle down effect.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:23 am to bonethug0108
All I know is that we are playing better against the run and quarterbacks don’t have 2 minutes to sit in the pocket. Way better than it’s been in the past.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:42 am to SuperSoakher
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If only we had a player like Fairley next to him
Just wanted to come back to this because people were shitting on Rankins last year too but honestly he's part of the reason Fairley had that success as Rankins was taking the doubles last year also.
So yes if we had someone like Fairley next to Rankins either Rankins would see less doubles or the guy next to him would be getting sacks.
What we've also been doing is putting Rankins next to Jordan so teams have to basically pick their poison or use a TE to help with Jordan. Being that you never want to give up inside pressure teams have largely chosen to double Rankins and either chip Cam or let him have his day.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 8:15 am to Chad504boy
Bone beat me to it. We shouldn’t be very critical at all. No, he doesn’t have the stats that we’d like to see, but make no mistake; the man is absolutely making a difference. He is the reason our outside rushers and blitzes aren’t getting doubled or picked up immediately. He’s doing exactly what we drafted him to do: pick up double teams to free up our edge guys and help stuff the middle of the line. We’ve given up some big runs, but almost all are to the outside. And even with those big runs, I still think we are almost top 10 in run defense (don’t quote me on that). So while I understand being a little worried about lack of stats, stay patient. Teams will have to start doubling Cam or others when their numbers start to elevate and that will free up Rankins. Or, things will stay the same and Cam and Co. will continue to reak havoc. I’m fine with either.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 8:16 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 8:41 am to bonethug0108
I completely forgot about fairley.
Man, we'd have a strong argument for best DL in the league if he was playing.
Man, we'd have a strong argument for best DL in the league if he was playing.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 8:42 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 8:45 am to Chad504boy
Idk he’s supposed to be this big sack machine outta Louisville we haven’t seen it but it maybe because Fairley isn’t there to help with the initial push for him to get back there
Posted on 10/17/17 at 9:10 am to Hoodoo Man
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I completely forgot about fairley.
Man, we'd have a strong argument for best DL in the league if he was playing.
So question for those who think we actually needed a pass rusher over secondary help:
Why do you think the line is looking better this year without Fairley, but adding a guy like Okafor who only had an 8 sack season as his best season?
Maybe like I've been saying all along we needed secondary help and a move away from so much zone/off man to keep QBs from completing passes under 3 seconds nearly every snap?
Just a guess.
And no that's not aimed at you Hoodoo. Merely kicked off by your statement. You're good people.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 9:14 am to bonethug0108
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but honestly he's part of the reason Fairley had that success as Rankins was taking the doubles last year also.
Fairley's 7 games of year without Rankins- 3.5 sacks
Fairley's 9 games of year with Rankins- 3 sacks
sorry, not buying that correlation bone. Rankins did have 4 sacks in 9 games last year when he kind of got off to slow start but i think Rankins was the one benefiting from playing next to Fairley.
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